"The Buddha described Nirvana as the perfect peace of the state of mind that is free from craving, anger and other afflictive states (kilesas)." -Wikipedia
Wouldn't Nirvana in itself be a craving?
Is Buddhism logical?
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Reincarnation's illogical
Post #51I just need to ask a simple question, could every human in this world replace all organisms born everyday in this world after their death? as far as i know, this world only got over 7 billion people, but the other organisms like animals, plants and microorganisms are uncountable, i think even all people of this world die out or i even count all of the people since the existence of humans in, those people still couldn't replace all organisms in this world just for the present day.
what 'bout before the existence of humans? who's gonna replace the organisms? the dinosaurs or other pre-historic animals, plants and microorganisms? what 'bout the immortal organisms? i wonder that the hell must get a large database to record all of these.
what 'bout before the existence of humans? who's gonna replace the organisms? the dinosaurs or other pre-historic animals, plants and microorganisms? what 'bout the immortal organisms? i wonder that the hell must get a large database to record all of these.
Re: Is Buddhism logical?
Post #52cholland wrote: "The Buddha described Nirvana as the perfect peace of the state of mind that is free from craving, anger and other afflictive states (kilesas)." -Wikipedia
Wouldn't Nirvana in itself be a craving?
As far as my understanding goes Buddhism is a practice by which one gains a correct perspective of oneself and the world. This correct point of view, when gained, causes Nirvana. Nirvana is the cessation of all suffering caused by earlier wrong ideas about oneself and the world.
So as far as I can tell there is nothing wrong in desiring to gain a correct understanding, Buddha himself achieved enlightenment due to his intense desire to see through to it (as the myth goes). But when that understanding is achieved, that enlightenment itself removes all further cravings or thirsts.
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Re: Is Buddhism logical?
Post #53Budda is not logical. There is no such thing as Nirvana; there is only heaven or hell in the hereafter. Our decision to accept or reject jesus Christ makes that determination.sayak83 wrote:cholland wrote: "The Buddha described Nirvana as the perfect peace of the state of mind that is free from craving, anger and other afflictive states (kilesas)." -Wikipedia
Wouldn't Nirvana in itself be a craving?
As far as my understanding goes Buddhism is a practice by which one gains a correct perspective of oneself and the world. This correct point of view, when gained, causes Nirvana. Nirvana is the cessation of all suffering caused by earlier wrong ideas about oneself and the world.
So as far as I can tell there is nothing wrong in desiring to gain a correct understanding, Buddha himself achieved enlightenment due to his intense desire to see through to it (as the myth goes). But when that understanding is achieved, that enlightenment itself removes all further cravings or thirsts.
We either accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior now while we are alive on earth or the Devil claims our soul in a Christless eternity.
We are free and have the power to choose. Not even God messes with our free will. We are free to choose, but we are not free of the consequences of our choices
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Re: Is Buddhism logical?
Post #54Burninglight wrote:
Budda is not logical. There is no such thing as Nirvana; there is only heaven or hell in the hereafter. Our decision to accept or reject jesus Christ makes that determination.
We either accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior now while we are alive on earth or the Devil claims our soul in a Christless eternity.
We are free and have the power to choose. Not even God messes with our free will. We are free to choose, but we are not free of the consequences of our choices
It that a logical statement? Without referring to a specific set of religious promotional materials, what evidence do you have of a 'heaven' or a hell'? Why is there a need for a 'savior'?
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
Steven Novella
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Re: Is Buddhism logical?
Post #55cholland wrote:Yah, I guess that's what I meant. Is that not illogical? You must have a craving to rid yourself of cravings.goat wrote:No.. but desiring Nirvana would be.
Yes, it is an example of a Zen koan, a logical conundrum. Many Buddhist texts mention the need to divest oneself of worldly desires, and then to finally divest the desire to transcend desire.
If it sounds hard to grasp, that's because it is. It requires a cognitive leap that is beyond logic and verbal expression. So when we use language to talk about it, all we can do (even the Buddha) is approximate.
