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Post #1If you were to kill an unregistered person, (you know, an illegal alien or something) and then bury them, and no one ever found out, would any evil have been done?
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Post #2Yes, you have committed murder.St. Anger wrote: If you were to kill an unregistered person, (you know, an illegal alien or something) and then bury them, and no one ever found out, would any evil have been done?
Let me guess, 'why is that any different thn abortion' ?
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Post #3Why would you want to in the first place? This sounds racistSt. Anger wrote: If you were to kill an unregistered person, (you know, an illegal alien or something) and then bury them, and no one ever found out, would any evil have been done?
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Post #4Why would you want to in the first place? This sounds racistSt. Anger wrote: If you were to kill an unregistered person, (you know, an illegal alien or something) and then bury them, and no one ever found out, would any evil have been done?
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Post #5Not bad but not where I'm going (if i'm even going anywhere).
Who says murder is wrong? What if you don't feel it was wrong?
“The word "good" has many meanings. For example, if a man were to shoot his grandmother at a range of five hundred yards, I should call him a good shot, but not necessarily a good man.�
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Post #6The law says murder is wrong, and this is supported by my own sense of morality.St. Anger wrote:Not bad but not where I'm going (if i'm even going anywhere).
Who says murder is wrong? What if you don't feel it was wrong?
I don't care whether or not somebody feels it was wrong. It is.
Society ceases to exist otherwise.
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Post #7And how can you be sure of this? You can't just say, "It's my gut feeling." That's either God, or you're a delusional nut. Your pick.Dantalion wrote:The law says murder is wrong, and this is supported by my own sense of morality.St. Anger wrote:Not bad but not where I'm going (if i'm even going anywhere).
Who says murder is wrong? What if you don't feel it was wrong?
I don't care whether or not somebody feels it was wrong. It is.
“The word "good" has many meanings. For example, if a man were to shoot his grandmother at a range of five hundred yards, I should call him a good shot, but not necessarily a good man.�
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Post #8Yes the OP does sound like it is setting up a debate on abortion.
Anyhow - killing an unregistered person is clearly wrong whether registered or not. Though I guess it is also wrong to kill a penguin for no good reason and then bury them. Flies and ants don't seem to be so problematic. If we are sticking to talking about stuff with human DNA I'd say the ethics is liable to become fraught when the question of the unborn and what counts as a "person" gets bogged down in semantics and ideology.
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Post #9Dantalion wrote: The law says murder is wrong, and this is supported by my own sense of morality.
I don't care whether or not somebody feels it was wrong. It is.
By definition, murder is any homicide that has not been justified with a legal excuse, such as self-defense, act of war, execution etc. To say that murder is wrong is somewhat tautological. Of course murder is wrong, if an particular homicide was not wrong, then it would not be called murder.St. Anger wrote: And how can you be sure of this? You can't just say, "It's my gut feeling." That's either God, or you're a delusional nut. Your pick.
So, then, how do we collectively as a society decide which homicides are murder and which ones are justified. One approach would be to avail ourselves of Divine Revelation. God says to put your disobedient children to death, so a legal system built on Biblical principles would allow parents to kill their children, if they are disobedient. Another, in my opinion better, approach is to restrict the legitimate use of force to governments operating under due process. Murder would be defined by the system of laws to include various forms of unjustified homicide. With such a law in force, society runs better than one where there is no such law, so long as we have a reasonable degree of confidence in the enforcement of the laws. No God required.
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Post #10I don't submit to your false dichotomy and strawman.St. Anger wrote:And how can you be sure of this? You can't just say, "It's my gut feeling." That's either God, or you're a delusional nut. Your pick.Dantalion wrote:The law says murder is wrong, and this is supported by my own sense of morality.St. Anger wrote:Not bad but not where I'm going (if i'm even going anywhere).
Who says murder is wrong? What if you don't feel it was wrong?
I don't care whether or not somebody feels it was wrong. It is.
My sense of morality does not come from 'my gut feeling'
but thn again I think it's safe to presume that you think morality either comes from God or that all are free to rape and kill as they please, which is a horse beaten so dead and proven to be such a nonsensical claim that I simply can't be bothered at this point to further elaborate on this.
Take a sociology class or something.