God forgives sex offenders. Society doens't.

[gnik]

God will forgive any sin, if the person is truly sorry and willing to change.

Society labels people who break some laws without any hope of things being seen for who they are, and not what they did once.

There are many examples of good people making a mistake and having the label "sex offender" on them for the rest of there life.

A student doesn't like a teacher, so the claim they did something sexual, the teacher then can no longer work anywhere even if it is found to be false.

One instance occurred where a boy turned 16 and some 16 year old girls sent him naked pics of him. he didn't know and forgot about the messages. One of the girls mentioned what they did to her parents who called the cops. they took his phone, saw that the messages were not open, looked at them and arrested him for having child pornography. He now is a registered sex offender for doing absolutely nothing.

Now many sex offenders are bad people, but the ones that change and never do anything and don't have that sort of interest anymore has to live with this label that makes them not allowed to go to some places, do some things. many jobs wont hire a person who is a sex offender, no matter how low risk or how many years ago it was.

God on the other hand will forgive and let go of the sin. Yet so many people argue that God is evil, when society does so much worse then God has ever done.

[gnik]

I don't think all crimes should be forgiven by law. The problem here is that there is a blanket term that is stuck on anyone who does any wide range of things, many of which are minor things. A murderer can kill several people, go to jail, then get out in 20 years and return to a normal life style. a sex offender doesn't get this.

Who gets to determine which crimes should be forgiven by law and which should not? I also think that a murderer can "return to a normal life style", while the sex offender can't. However, I think that is a matter of being too gracious to the murder, not being too strick on the sex offender.

The people in charge of making the laws would. But it should be based on the crime. Not a blanket term.

How is it that you believe that someone who murders can go back to a normal lifestyle, but a sex offender is? What do you think of when you think of sex offender?

Is it fair to state that all sex related crimes are worse then most other crimes?

[bluethread]

Who gets to determine which crimes should be forgiven by law and which should not? I also think that a murderer can "return to a normal life style", while the sex offender can't. However, I think that is a matter of being too gracious to the murder, not being too strick on the sex offender.

The people in charge of making the laws would. But it should be based on the crime. Not a blanket term.

So, if "the people in charge", whoever they are, get to determine whom the law covers, why can't they apply a blanket term?

How is it that you believe that someone who murders can go back to a normal lifestyle, but a sex offender is?

That is a statement of fact, not personal preference.

What do you think of when you think of sex offender?

I think of several things. Unlike current law, which oftens seems to be driven by political correctness, HaTorah applies a sentence based on the nature of the offense.

Is it fair to state that all sex related crimes are worse then most other crimes?

Well, you said that "the people in charge" get to make these decisions.

[gnik]

Who gets to determine which crimes should be forgiven by law and which should not? I also think that a murderer can "return to a normal life style", while the sex offender can't. However, I think that is a matter of being too gracious to the murder, not being too strick on the sex offender.

The people in charge of making the laws would. But it should be based on the crime. Not a blanket term.

So, if "the people in charge", whoever they are, get to determine whom the law covers, why can't they apply a blanket term?

Because it is harmful to society as a whole.

How is it that you believe that someone who murders can go back to a normal lifestyle, but a sex offender is?

That is a statement of fact, not personal preference.

I'm not asking for a source. More of an explanation of your thoughts on the subject. Can you explain what is different between a murderer and a sex offender that makes the one able to return to society and the other not?

What do you think of when you think of sex offender?

I think of several things. Unlike current law, which oftens seems to be driven by political correctness, HaTorah applies a sentence based on the nature of the offense.

I am not arguing the Torah. And from your statement, It sounds like the Torah is much more fair then the system I am arguing against.

Is it fair to state that all sex related crimes are worse then most other crimes?

Well, you said that "the people in charge" get to make these decisions.

Maybe we should change who is in charge. Other then that, in the US, Laws can be argued against if they have a shown case where you were negatively effected from laws directly.

[bluethread]

So, if "the people in charge", whoever they are, get to determine whom the law covers, why can't they apply a blanket term?

Because it is harmful to society as a whole.

I don't think you understand. If "the people in charge" get to decide, that doesn't matter. However, if you want the decision to be made based on what is harmful to society as a whole, that is a different story.

How is it that you believe that someone who murders can go back to a normal lifestyle, but a sex offender is?

That is a statement of fact, not personal preference.

I'm not asking for a source. More of an explanation of your thoughts on the subject. Can you explain what is different between a murderer and a sex offender that makes the one able to return to society and the other not?

What do you think of when you think of sex offender?

I think of several things. Unlike current law, which oftens seems to be driven by political correctness, HaTorah applies a sentence based on the nature of the offense.

I am not arguing the Torah. And from your statement, It sounds like the Torah is much more fair then the system I am arguing against.

That is what I think. However, given your previous responses, I am not sure you would like the various penalties imposed.

Is it fair to state that all sex related crimes are worse then most other crimes?

Well, you said that "the people in charge" get to make these decisions.

Maybe we should change who is in charge. Other then that, in the US, Laws can be argued against if they have a shown case where you were negatively effected from laws directly.

That is not quite right. Showing how one is negatively effected is a political factor. That is one way one can influences "the people in charge" or in the case of an initiative, the electorate. The courts are not supposed to take such factors into account, unless the laws directly permit it or are vague. Also, in the US, "the people in charge" only get to make the decisions subject to the federal constitution and the various state constitutions, subject to judicial review to verify constitutionality. If you wish to stipulate that this is how these decisions should be made, we can proceed with that assumption.

That said, if I am not mistaken, the original premise was the comparison of pardon according to the Scriptures and pardon as defined by current society. Is that also your understanding?

[gnik]

So, if "the people in charge", whoever they are, get to determine whom the law covers, why can't they apply a blanket term?

Because it is harmful to society as a whole.

I don't think you understand. If "the people in charge" get to decide, that doesn't matter. However, if you want the decision to be made based on what is harmful to society as a whole, that is a different story.

How is it that you believe that someone who murders can go back to a normal lifestyle, but a sex offender is?

That is a statement of fact, not personal preference.

I'm not asking for a source. More of an explanation of your thoughts on the subject. Can you explain what is different between a murderer and a sex offender that makes the one able to return to society and the other not?

What do you think of when you think of sex offender?

I think of several things. Unlike current law, which oftens seems to be driven by political correctness, HaTorah applies a sentence based on the nature of the offense.

I am not arguing the Torah. And from your statement, It sounds like the Torah is much more fair then the system I am arguing against.

That is what I think. However, given your previous responses, I am not sure you would like the various penalties imposed.

Is it fair to state that all sex related crimes are worse then most other crimes?

Well, you said that "the people in charge" get to make these decisions.

Maybe we should change who is in charge. Other then that, in the US, Laws can be argued against if they have a shown case where you were negatively effected from laws directly.

That is not quite right. Showing how one is negatively effected is a political factor. That is one way one can influences "the people in charge" or in the case of an initiative, the electorate. The courts are not supposed to take such factors into account, unless the laws directly permit it or are vague. Also, in the US, "the people in charge" only get to make the decisions subject to the federal constitution and the various state constitutions, subject to judicial review to verify constitutionality. If you wish to stipulate that this is how these decisions should be made, we can proceed with that assumption.

That said, if I am not mistaken, the original premise was the comparison of pardon according to the Scriptures and pardon as defined by current society. Is that also your understanding?

The original post was about the fairness of how religion treats sex offenders vs how society treats sex offenders.

[thepandemicson]

This one really depends on how you define a sexual offense. If you're shooting for biblical standards, the Old Testament covers a wide array of acts that are considered sexual offense, referred mostly to as adultery.

"And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." Leviticus 20:10

This reference addresses just an act of infidelity, which our current society is more accepting of, considering we don't stone cheating lovers to death here. At least, not that I know of. The Old Testament condemns infidelity among many other things, but at the same time it addresses how men should treat their concubines, having multiple wives, marrying very young girls...

The New Testament focuses more on the forgiveness aspect you're talking about, but it still outlines adultery as acts that we would not consider sexual offenses today.

"And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her." Mark 10:11

"And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery." Mark 10:12

I believe this speaks of how divorce and remarrying is viewed. Often, people were stoned in those days for sexual transgressions, but other things that we now consider immoral were not seen as wrong in that time period.

Yes, the Christian bible does say that God forgives all who ask it, and we should not judge. But I would propose this hypothetical dilemma to you. If a man were to have been freed from prison, and you found out that 30 years ago he'd been imprisoned for raping and eating children, would you allow your child to be near him on the grounds that he's been declared reformed? Do you forgive, forget, and turn the other cheek and hope he doesn't slap that one?