The Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

[Goat]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

It's laughable to think that those who support the gay community "waged a war" on those who don't. The war against homosexuality has been going on for millenia and has only just gained enough support to fight back. There are many different types of Christians that support the homosexual community, there is nothing that would fit the definition of a "gay denomination" as different people from different denominations with different beliefs support gay rights. What would be gained by creating a new denomination? Would this denomination have other doctrines set or only those concerning homosexuals?

I will point out that it also would not be cost effective. The percentage of gay church goers in any specific area would probably be less than a church can sustain.

[KCKID]

Homosexuals are welcome in our church. An openly gay practicing homosexual can't be a member or hold positions of office in the church, but they are welcome to attend. There is no need to start a new denomination. My daughter's band teacher is an openly homosexual lesbian living with her girlfriend and we get along great. Of course I don't feel it is right to go around holding a sign that says "God hates fags" because He doesn't.

So far as divorce and remarriage go, I would agree it is a sin but in my Bible it says God forgives sin.

I personally don't have a problem with those who divorce and remarry. It's not even an issue to me. Plus, what one does in private is none of my business. The only reason I bring the matter up at all is because the ones who scream the loudest about homosexuality within the Church are also those who are quite willing to turn a blind eye to what is undoubtedly scriptural adultery within the Church. This is a classic case of double standards that is so typical of, mainly but not solely, Fundamentalist Christians.

While I DO appreciate the general tone of your post I do believe that you've missed the point that I'm making in regard to the subject of remarriage. You appear to be saying that God will forgive adultery EVEN THOUGH the actual 'sin' of adultery is ongoing. Again, while I must emphasize that this is not a problem for me it DOES appear to GLARINGLY contradict biblical teaching on the subject. The classic Christian belief of purging one's sins comes through the act of repentence. In turn, repentence will inevitably result in a change of the specific 'sinful' behavior being repented of. Now, the only way that a 'change of behavior' can be effectively accomplished with regard to the 'remarriage' issue is that the marriages be annulled and the parties from then on remain celibate. I mean, this stands to reason.

Okay, with that in mind let me quickly switch to the homosexual issue as per this thread. For a 'gay' person to be accepted by the Church they must repent of their 'sin of homosexuality' and remain (homosexually) celibate from then on. Such is the general and strict requirement of most Christian Churches. But ...wait a moment . . .didn't we just determine above that scriptural adulterers (remarrieds) can repent of their 'sin of adultery' and still REMAIN in their 'sin' as far as most Christians are concerned? Is it just me or does something not compute here?

I have NOT YET received a satisfactory response from those who shout the loudest with regard to homosexuality as to WHY the same level of vitriol is not directed at the remarrieds within the Church who outnumber homosexuals probably a thousand-fold. The loudest of all, 99percentatheism, would not DREAM of suggesting that scriptural adulterers form their own Church. I wonder why? Could it be that 99percent believes that one's 'gay' orientation alone far outweighs the sins of a 'straight' person. Could it be that the task of openly condemning such a majority group would cause such a ruckus within the Church that he would be run out of the Church on a rail? Whatever the reason it is Hypocrisy with a capitol "H"!

My mother-in-law got pregnant by her boyfriend shortly after high school, and the baby was the girl who ended up being my wife. My wife's bio dad was in the navy and gone a lot so no surprise they ended up getting divorced. A few years later my MIL married a man who ended up being a great influence on his step daughter; a fine man of God. If it were not for this man whom you say is living in adultery my wife would not be a Christian. Yes he has sinned, and God has forgiven his sin.

Well, unless you're God you can't really speak for Him.

As said however, NO PROBLEM with me just as long as the homosexual is accorded the same level of forgiveness for his/her PERCEIVED SIN of homosexuality and allowed (as with the adulterer) to practice their homosexuality without any hassles from the moral police. Then we can all attend Church and be one big happy family!

[Autodidact]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

There's an idea...someone had in 1968. Metropolitan Community Church, http://mccchurch.org/ has congregations all over the world.

[Autodidact]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

Lol, maybe the fact that they haven't will tell you something about the gay community.
The Church is infallible. It hasn't accepted gays because it is impossible. The gates of Hell cannot prevail against it, you see. This is God's promise.
A gay denomination, however, can't even seem to start. No, not even after 2000 years. So, good luck with that heresy, I say.

http://mccchurch.org/

Also, thousands of mainstream congregations in the U.S. fully accept gay and lesbian parishioners. Google the name of your city, church, gay and lesbian and see what you find. My city has a hundred or so.

[cnorman18]

Has no one here ever heard of the Metropolitan Community Church?

We have already seen that at least one member here is unalterably convinced that all gay men are slavering, predatory monsters and that anyone who supports gay rights is a conscious participant in a Satanic conspiracy bent on destroying the Christian church as well as all decency and morality in society generally. From where I sit, there is as little point in debating the topic of gay rights with those who hold such opinions as there is in debating civil rights with people who hold that African-Americans and members of other races are not, in fact, fully human.

[KCKID]

I wonder ...WWJD?

[Moses Yoder]

Homosexuals are welcome in our church. An openly gay practicing homosexual can't be a member or hold positions of office in the church, but they are welcome to attend. There is no need to start a new denomination. My daughter's band teacher is an openly homosexual lesbian living with her girlfriend and we get along great. Of course I don't feel it is right to go around holding a sign that says "God hates fags" because He doesn't.

So far as divorce and remarriage go, I would agree it is a sin but in my Bible it says God forgives sin.

I personally don't have a problem with those who divorce and remarry. It's not even an issue to me. Plus, what one does in private is none of my business. The only reason I bring the matter up at all is because the ones who scream the loudest about homosexuality within the Church are also those who are quite willing to turn a blind eye to what is undoubtedly scriptural adultery within the Church. This is a classic case of double standards that is so typical of, mainly but not solely, Fundamentalist Christians.

While I DO appreciate the general tone of your post I do believe that you've missed the point that I'm making in regard to the subject of remarriage. You appear to be saying that God will forgive adultery EVEN THOUGH the actual 'sin' of adultery is ongoing. Again, while I must emphasize that this is not a problem for me it DOES appear to GLARINGLY contradict biblical teaching on the subject. The classic Christian belief of purging one's sins comes through the act of repentence. In turn, repentence will inevitably result in a change of the specific 'sinful' behavior being repented of. Now, the only way that a 'change of behavior' can be effectively accomplished with regard to the 'remarriage' issue is that the marriages be annulled and the parties from then on remain celibate. I mean, this stands to reason.

Okay, with that in mind let me quickly switch to the homosexual issue as per this thread. For a 'gay' person to be accepted by the Church they must repent of their 'sin of homosexuality' and remain (homosexually) celibate from then on. Such is the general and strict requirement of most Christian Churches. But ...wait a moment . . .didn't we just determine above that scriptural adulterers (remarrieds) can repent of their 'sin of adultery' and still REMAIN in their 'sin' as far as most Christians are concerned? Is it just me or does something not compute here?

I have NOT YET received a satisfactory response from those who shout the loudest with regard to homosexuality as to WHY the same level of vitriol is not directed at the remarrieds within the Church who outnumber homosexuals probably a thousand-fold. The loudest of all, 99percentatheism, would not DREAM of suggesting that scriptural adulterers form their own Church. I wonder why? Could it be that 99percent believes that one's 'gay' orientation alone far outweighs the sins of a 'straight' person. Could it be that the task of openly condemning such a majority group would cause such a ruckus within the Church that he would be run out of the Church on a rail? Whatever the reason it is Hypocrisy with a capitol "H"!

My mother-in-law got pregnant by her boyfriend shortly after high school, and the baby was the girl who ended up being my wife. My wife's bio dad was in the navy and gone a lot so no surprise they ended up getting divorced. A few years later my MIL married a man who ended up being a great influence on his step daughter; a fine man of God. If it were not for this man whom you say is living in adultery my wife would not be a Christian. Yes he has sinned, and God has forgiven his sin.

Well, unless you're God you can't really speak for Him.

As said however, NO PROBLEM with me just as long as the homosexual is accorded the same level of forgiveness for his/her PERCEIVED SIN of homosexuality and allowed (as with the adulterer) to practice their homosexuality without any hassles from the moral police. Then we can all attend Church and be one big happy family!

I think perhaps the reason for this is that most straight men and women, especially christians, are repulsed at the thought of gay sex, while they are attracted to the thought of hetero sex. I myself would rather die than submit to gay sex. I am not sure why this is. Another reason is that homosexuality has long been veiwed as open rebellion against God, while divorce and remarriage is viewed as simply a mistake in that we married the wrong person the first time.

While I don't think it is my duty to tell other people how to live, I do believe that divorce and remarriage while the former partner is alive is sin. I would not do it myself. I think the Bible is pretty clear on it.

[connermt]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

I don't see any "war being waged" really. Besides, there are christian churches that accept gay people and beleive being gay isn't a sin. In fact, there are many in the US alone. So why start yet another (IMO) pointless sect of the christian cult when christianity allows it to exist already?

[kayky]

Many mainline churches welcome gay members just as Jesus would have done had he started a church.

[connermt]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

Lol, maybe the fact that they haven't will tell you something about the gay community.

I don't know what it says about the gay community and all, but I know what this wrong (and ignorant of current reality) comment says about the person who spouted it. Not an insult, simply an observation.

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

The Church is infallible. The gates of Hell cannot prevail against it, you see. This is God's promise.

And it allows molestors to stay "employeed" within the all great church. They just move them around and ignore it. So this must be god's will then, by your own admission. God's promise even. What a wondrous organization worshipping a grand being! Hallelujah, right?!
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