Evolutionist Discrimination in Public Education.

[jcrawford]

There are currently five categories which the U.S. legally recognizes in which persons may voluntarily identify and classify themselves as, according to their self-evident, self-recognized and self-identified common ancestral racial traits of national and geographic origins. None of these categories are Homo sapiens.

http://atlas.usafa.af.mil/meo/Discri~1.htm

http://www.withylaw.com/distopic.htm

http://www.wvf.state.wv.us/eeo/NO.htm

http://mountain-prairie.fws.gov/dcr/Basis.htm

http://www.niehs.nih.gov/oeeo/national.htm

As far as the U.S. legal system is concerned, there does not seem to be any legally protected class of persons called Homo sapiens or any ancestral category of persons named Homo erectus from whom Homo sapiens are believed by neo-Darwinists to have descended.

Since it may reasonably be considered to be a violation of their civil rights to have their human ancestors related to, or called, anything other than what the U.S. Government recognizes as legally protected classes of persons, I respectfully submit that teachers and students in U.S. public school systems who publically volunteer to self-identify and self-classify themselves as members of any of the legally recognized and protected classes of persons established by law, may not be involuntarily labeled and classified as Homo sapiens in public schools without their written consent or the written consent of their parents or legal guardians.

Otherwise, if state governments continue to mandate and impose evolutionary neo-Darwinist beliefs and teachings about the human ancestry of the five legitimate racial catagories in which students and teachers have voluntarily chosen to identify and classify themselves as, then public school students and teachers have every right to sue the state for civil rights violations and a redress of racial and ancestral grievances.

[Grumpy]

johncrawford

Facts don't exist in and of themselves, Grumpy. They have to be qualified and legitimized. Otherwise, everyone could go around making up facts to suit themselves, not just neo-Darwinists.

Now, if we were to ask most people today whether their ancestors belonged to one of the racial groups defined by the U.S. government, or whether their ancestors were Homo erectus, what do you think the common responses would be?

First, it is irrelevant what public opinion would be about the facts of our evolution from common ancestors in Africa, science is not a popularity contest it deals only with the facts. Your racist ideas are garbage not because they are not PC, they are garbage because they don't fit the facts.

Second, facts do exist in and of themselves. Peer review is not a poll of peoples opinions, it is a process of weighing the facts through logic and debate. The facts (and theories which explain them) which are supported by the evidence will survive(eventually) peer review, opinions unsupported by the facts(like CSBS/ID)will not pass peer review(which is why they are junk science).

Excessive capitalization doesn't make a sentence any more factual than the fact that the contents of the sentence must be agreed upon by second and third parties in order to establish the contents as fact. Even when two or three people agree as what constitutes the facts, fourth, fifth and sixth persons can totally reject the previous factual claims. That's how peer review in the jury system works, Grumpy. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

Excessive capitalization doesn't make the sentences more factual, you cannot get more factual than the truth. The capitalization was to insure you could read the sentence and to emphasize it's truth and importance. As to peer review(about which you know nothing) facts are facts, only those ignorant of them can dispute them(you), their significance, meaning or interpretation may be argued ad nauseum but the facts themselves do not change. Opinions matter little in the peer review process, facts cannot be rejected just because someone doesn't like them, logic and falsifying evidence are required. It is not a jury of opinions, it is a board of inquiry testing the facts and theories with logical argument and evidence.

Homo sapiens sapiens is not even recognized by the U.S. goverment as a protected class under civil rights law, Grumpy.

Neither are air breathers!! There is a certain level of intelligence and knowledge assumed in everyday language, some things which do not need to be said because it is so obvious to anyone with half a brain. That all men alive today belong to the species HSS is just one of these things, therefore it does not need to be said over and over in the language of civil rights laws because ALL SUCH LAWS PERTAIN TO HSS as everyone understands, except you. We cannot afford the time to dummy down such things just so you can understand, so try to keep up, ok???(all caps for EMPHASIS)

Try telling that to racial groups whose distant ancestors probably never even heard of Africa.

There comes the racism again, raising it's ugly head. There are no racial groups, we are all one species with variations. I saw a mother cat with her four kittens yesterday. One kitten was black with white socks and chest, one was a calico, one was white with a brown and black saddle, and one was orange(yes, bright orange,he's going to be mine). At no time as I was looking at them did I think those kittens were of different races of cat, the very idea is ludicrous, all the variations were within the normal range of cats(except the orange, maybe. I'm going to call him OJ). The exact same principle applies to the variations in human appearance. We all come from the same line of apes, we are still a single species and your blatant racism isn't going to change that fact.

Try telling that to Chinese paleoanthropologists whose human ancestors in China date back to 2 million years ago.

Hominids 2 million years old in China??? In a direct line to modern man??? I am unaware of any such claims. If I am in error, please provide me with scientific, peer reviewed evidence of this astonishing new information.

I am proud to deny that there are "races" of man in the science of evolution.

Good for you. I am proud to deny that there are 'species' of man, in the science of creation.

I can provide evidence of my contention. And there is no science in the belief in creationism(It's turtles, turtles I say, turtles all the way down)

Grumpy

[jcrawford]

Hominids 2 million years old in China??? In a direct line to modern man??? I am unaware of any such claims. If I am in error, please provide me with scientific, peer reviewed evidence of this astonishing new information.

1.8 Mya: Yuanmou teeth, Yunnan Province, China.
1.9 Mya: Longuppo (Dragon Hill) Cave mandible, tooth, Sichuan Province.
1.9 Mya: Modjoker Infant skull, Djetis Beds, Java, Indonesia.

[jcrawford]

In the United States of America, we and our ancestors are legally recognized, classified and registered for census and civil rights purposes, as five races, not species. These classes are self-defined, identified, organized, and legally established by each racial group as a means of racial identification for the purpose of census taking and legal status in cases of racial discrimination. Each racial group has a legally protected status and is classified and registered according to the geographic or national origin of their ancestors.

All five racial groups recognize and agree with, the equal right of each other group to self-define, identify and assert themselves in terms of their ancestral origins.

None of the groups have the right to classify any other group’s ancestors as anything other than that which each group has racially defined, identified and established as its own unique ancestral heritage and origin.

In order to racially represent one of these five groups in terms of their racial status, progress or ancestral origins, a person must be legally recognized as a member of that group or have a family member in that group who elects their representation. Of course, any racial group which elects a member of another racial group to racially represent them and their ancestors is free to do so.

[Grumpy]

jcrawford

1.8 Mya: Yuanmou teeth, Yunnan Province, China.

However, Liu and Ding (1984) noted that the faunal sequence at the site was inverted, with more extinct species in the upper levels than deeper in the deposit. They suggest that a date of 600,000 to 500,000, Bruhnes rather than Matuyama Epoch, was most appropriate. The younger date is more consistent with the current state of knowledge on the dispersion and evolution of hominids in Asia.

Liu T, and Ding M (1984) A tentative chronological correlation of early fossil horizons in China with loess-deep sea records. Acta Anthropologica Sinica 3:93-101.

1.9 Mya: Longuppo (Dragon Hill) Cave mandible, tooth, Sichuan Province.

The worldwide distribution of our species, Homo sapiens, has its roots in the early Pleistocene epoch. However, evidence has been sufficient only in the past decade to overcome the conventional wisdom that hominins had been restricted to Africa until about 800,000 years ago. Indeed, the idea that hominin dispersal was technologically mediated, and thus must correlate with changes in stone tool technology seen at the Olduwan/Acheulean transition, has proven to be a persuasive hypothesis despite persistent claims for an early Pleistocene hominin presence outside Africa. We review multiple recent lines of evidence that suggest hominin dispersals from Africa in the earliest Pleistocene, if not the latest Pliocene, correlated with the appearance of hominins typically referred to as Homo erectus (sensu lato) who carried with them an Oldowan tool technology. Changes in body plan and foraging strategy are likely to ultimately underlie these dispersals.

Emphasis mine. These fossils indicate Homo Erectus in an earlier dispersal from Africa. Later dispersals of Homo Sapiens Sapiens responsible for all modern humans(see extensive fossil evidence of further evolution in Africa).



Susan C. Antón­
Department of Anthropology, New York University, New York, NY 10003;

Carl C. Swisher, III­
Department of Geological Sciences, Rutgers University, Piscataway, NJ 08854;

1.9 Mya: Modjoker Infant skull, Djetis Beds, Java, Indonesia.

A major problem in such studies is disentangling the spatial (i.e. polytypic) and
chronological components of diversity, and I therefore summarise stratigraphic, faunal
and chronometric evidence relevant to dating H. erectus. All the regional samples
span considerable periods of time – c. 0.5 my for the East African sample; c. 0.75
my for the Javan material excluding Ngandong, and 1 my or more with the latter
included, although the bulk of the SE Asian specimens included here cover a much
more restricted range – perhaps 0.4 my in the former case, and 0.6 my in the latter.
Similarly, the Zhoukoudian crania span around 0.4 my, with those of the present
study probably confined to 0.15 my or thereabouts.

ALAN BILSBOROUGH
Evolutionary Anthropology Research Group
Department of Anthropology, University of Durham,
43 Old Elvet, Durham, DH1 3HN, UK

It has long been known that Homo Erectus spread out from Africa about a million years before present, however the fossil record plainly shows further evolutionary changes in Africa and the rise of Homo Sapiens from that source. The HE fossils in Asia were not in the direct line to HSS.

Grumpy

[Dion]

There are currently five categories which the U.S. legally recognizes in which persons may voluntarily identify and classify themselves as, according to their self-evident, self-recognized and self-identified common ancestral racial traits of national and geographic origins.

You may want to sit down if you're not already doing so, because what I am about to tell you may come as something of a shock.

There is a whole world that exists beyond the borders of the US that does not really care what the US legal system recognizes as official racial categories. And none of the legal racial categories has any bearing whatsoever on whether or not any particular individual belongs to the species H. sapiens sapiens - they all do. Neither the US legal system or (thank goodness) the more insane American religious fundamentalists have any special status in the matter of determining the best current theories of human ancestry. This issue is not decided by popular opinion in the American Bible Belt but, internationally, by reference to the scientific evidence.


p.s. My commiserations to all the sane Americans out there who are reading this. It must be a source of considerable embarrassment to live in a land where the notorious Scopes Monkey Trial is replayed every few years. Still, it gives the rest of us something to shake our heads indulgently and chuckle over. Only in America!!!

[Cathar1950]

Dion wrote:

p.s. My commiserations to all the sane Americans out there who are reading this. It must be a source of considerable embarrassment to live in a land where the notorious Scopes Monkey Trial is replayed every few years. Still, it gives the rest of us something to shake our heads indulgently and chuckle over. Only in America!!!

I remember sitting with my kids watching the news about ID and all of us shaking our heads. I thought "I don't believe this" Why are we even debating this in the century? I hope it never comes to a vote because I fear they will could pick any dumb thing. One time in our history a legislator wanted to make Pi=3.0000 because it was rounded off and conformed to the bible. They voted it down. Yes it is embarrassing.
In Europe any grade school kids knows the difference between Communism, Socialism and Marxism. Not in this country even educated adults Marxism=Socialism=Communism=Liberal=Atheist=left and so on.

[jcrawford]

It has long been known that Homo Erectus spread out from Africa about a million years before present, ....

That has only "long been known" in neo-Darwinist racial groups originating in Europe. Other racial groups in America only learned of this 'theory' regarding African ancestors after neo-Darwinist ideology migrated to America and became official state indoctrination imposed on the racial ancestry of their children in U.S. public schools.

[jcrawford]

There are currently five categories which the U.S. legally recognizes in which persons may voluntarily identify and classify themselves as, according to their self-evident, self-recognized and self-identified common ancestral racial traits of national and geographic origins.

You may want to sit down if you're not already doing so, because what I am about to tell you may come as something of a shock.

Ok, I'm sitting down, but is there any guarantee that what your are about to tell me won't shock me out of my chair?

There is a whole world that exists beyond the borders of the US that does not really care what the US legal system recognizes as official racial categories.

Well, sit down and take your socks off, Grumpy Dion, because what I am about to tell you may knock the socks off of your feet.

Who in the U.S. gives a rooty-toot for what anyone else in the world thinks of the U.S. legal system's method of racial identification besides neo-Darwinist Democrats who would 'scientifically' impose their European racial theories on all other racial groups in our God-given country?

And none of the legal racial categories has any bearing whatsoever on whether or not any particular individual belongs to the species H. sapiens sapiens - they all do.

You're simply becoming a pedantic and authoritarian neo-Darwinist, Grumpy Dion, when you impose your own neo-Darwinist ancestry on other American racial groups which don't share your common ancestry in their history books. Why must you continue to write like some cultural, social or scientific colonialist when you can see on TV the disastrous consequences which can result from French neo-Darwinist political and military colonialism? Why don't you allow racial groups other than your own to decide for themselves who their human ancestors were and stop imposing your own peculiar religious beliefs about human origins and ancestry on others?

]Neither the US legal system or (thank goodness) the more insane American religious fundamentalists have any special status in the matter of determining the best current theories of human ancestry.

Wanna bet? What do you think civil rights laws exist for, if not to protect five racial classes of human beings from each other, and to provide a legislative process whereby contestants can settle political disputes over past racial injustices?

This issue is not decided by popular opinion in the American Bible Belt but, internationally, by reference to the scientific evidence.

BS. International scientists don't run this country any more than any other group of international conspirators do. Just look at the mess international scientists have created up till now. The American people won't even let American scientists dominate them, much less international anti-American scientists.

p.s. My commiserations to all the sane Americans out there who are reading this. It must be a source of considerable embarrassment to live in a land where the notorious Scopes Monkey Trial is replayed every few years. Still, it gives the rest of us something to shake our heads indulgently and chuckle over. Only in America!!!

My apologies are also extended to the few sane Americans who may be reading these diatribes and polemics, since ever since Darwinism came to America, half of the country seems to be in a perpetual psychological state of neo-Darwinization.

[jcrawford]

In Europe any grade school kids knows the difference between Communism, Socialism and Marxism. Not in this country even educated adults Marxism=Socialism=Communism=Liberal=Atheist=left and so on.

In America, Marxism=Socialism=Communism=Liberal=Atheist=left and totalitarian neo-Darwinism. They all add up to scientific racism and facism.

That's what the Muslims don't like about America. The neo-Darwinists have turned us into social, scientific and atheistic imperialists.

[Grumpy]

jcrawford

I've been told by some in this forum that I should be nice to you and not point out the obvious problem you seem to be having with...shall we say the real world, this despite the fact you spew your racist... shall we say refuse all over the people of this forum. I'll do my
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Marxism=Socialism=Communism=Liberal=Atheist=left and totalitarian neo-Darwinism

best to not speak about the Emporer(you) and his fine new suit of clothes.(I think you missed a few like pinko and fag and racist and Facist and scientist and anti-American and French,oh...I see you covered that elsewhere in your post, never mind) I think the only way you could be MORE offensive would be if you called yourself a Scientist, but I see by your post that isn't likely. John you've hit a new...well let's just say your in a rut, a really, really deep one.

Grumpy

PS Dion, I appologize on John's behalf, he didn't know what he was doing, Grumpy Dion...That's just not right.