Origin of non-christian religions

[wx47]

Hi everyone,

I would like to ask question about origin of non-christian religions (this is my first post , I'm christian )
OK - so I've been thinking and idea came:
As a christian, I believe in God, his creation of universe . There are, however, other religions such as buddhism, taoism, muslim, etc.
They don't believe in God *AND* because God is one who created universe (and they don't believe in him), their gods doesn't exist. Because there is good (God) and then evil (absence of God) - and they don't believe in him, are they product of evil (I mean those religions) ?
Are they work of evil to draw attention not to God, but to something other ?
OK, and last question - (if answer to last question is yes) - are those people evil / bad becouse there are spreading their non-christian religion ? (maybe there don't mean to do bad thing - they believe that they are doing good, but unknowingly doing bad)

(DISCLAIMER: I do not want to harass or find excuse to disdain non-christian people, I just want to know answer to stated questions)

Many thanks

[happy forever]

The first message of all religions and the first commandment in these three heaven religions is "No god but The One God".

La Ilah Ila Allah

That is the message of all of the monotheistic religions of the world. Each claims that there is only one God. Those following a different religion either are worshiping someone or something that is not God or they believe some false things about the one god that they worship. The distinction between the two varies from group to group.

If they follow the religions of Allah, we will be all the same.
Allah is Allah The One.

When we mix religion with culture, we distort religion and ourselves.
Turning Jesus to a son god or part of god or trinity is a false culture distorted the message of Allah which is partially kept in the first commandment.

Those who claim that they believe in the one, why they call Jesus in their prayers?
Is Jesus their creator?
What if man born in desert without knowing this culture, will he get the word Jesus by himself or will he know God by himself.

Look around you and meditate everything even yourself and you will know The One.
Islam is the religion of nature. We know Allah The Creator from His creation and we know that everything is created. Everything is a creature and Allah is The One Creator. Jesus is a creature and all rocks and pictures and crosses are mindless objects created by Him. The sun is a creature, we are creatures.

These are axioms known by nature and man always corrupt nature with polluting it in all ways even by culture.

[Filthy Tugboat]

The first message of all religions and the first commandment in these three heaven religions is "No god but The One God".

La Ilah Ila Allah

That is the message of all of the monotheistic religions of the world. Each claims that there is only one God. Those following a different religion either are worshiping someone or something that is not God or they believe some false things about the one god that they worship. The distinction between the two varies from group to group.

If they follow the religions of Allah, we will be all the same.
Allah is Allah The One.

Allah being Arabic for "God", who's to say they don't? So far no religion has been shown to be true, which means they each have the potential for truth or falsehood. If would advise you not to quote your attempts to demonstrate the truth behind the Qu'ran as they really didn't do anything but preach.

When we mix religion with culture, we distort religion and ourselves.

I doubt this, could you support this notion with evidence?

Turning Jesus to a son god or part of god or trinity is a false culture distorted the message of Allah which is partially kept in the first commandment.

Could you show any of this to be true? As far as I'm aware the Trinity is considered by those that believe it to be promoted by the New Testament which means that it is not a culturally distorted version of the religion but rather the true meaning of the religion. It is all subjective interpretation.

Those who claim that they believe in the one, why they call Jesus in their prayers?
Is Jesus their creator?

Some of them believe so, yes.

What if man born in desert without knowing this culture, will he get the word Jesus by himself or will he know God by himself.

I have no idea, maybe?

Look around you and meditate everything even yourself and you will know The One.

"The One" what? Jet Li?

Islam is the religion of nature.

I doubt this, could you support this with evidence?

We know Allah The Creator from His creation and we know that everything is created.

Could you support this with evidence?

Everything is a creature and Allah is The One Creator.

Could you support this with evidence?

Jesus is a creature and all rocks and pictures and crosses are mindless objects created by Him.

No, I doubt any crosses or rocks or pictures were created by jesus, or at least, not the ones we see today. They were most likely created by people who believe the Bible's claims made on behalf of a character named Jesus.

The sun is a creature, we are creatures.

What do you mean by creature?

Just a heads up, this is a debating forum, you might want to back off of the preaching a bit and start actually presenting arguments and evidence in favor of your assertions.

[Filthy Tugboat]

I will tell him show me this miracle and I will believe you or else you are a big liar.

So simply, this is the logic, fact is fact clear like the sun, yes?

Then I can say the same thing to you about the quote miracle you experience... show me this miracle and I will believe you or else you are a big liar.

Ok brother, and with logic

I have already read this and it did not appear very logical.

Islam is the last religion of Allah and Quran is the words of Allah and Allah is our Creator.

The evidence of Allah is His creation

What in "creation" is evidence of "Allah"?

and the evidence of Islam is the words of Allah.

Can you show that the words of "Allah" are evidence of Islam?

Allah created your mind and my mind to know Him and and obey His orders, to do good and avoid evil.

Please provide evidence for this assertion.

How can we know His orders?

He sent orders in a book through His messenger Muhammad and supported His messenger with miracles but......

Prophet Muhammad is dead and also his miracles except one miracle.

Please kindly show that any miracles support Muhammad. Also, show that "He[Allah]" sent orders in a book through Muhammad.

Now brother there are countless religions, how to know the religion of Allah?

Of course by mind because Who created our minds will make His religion the most logical strong clear one.

One would think so but in all honesty one shouldn't need a book or a religion at all, the knowledge should be present and undeniable to everyone.

In order to be sure that every order is from Allah The One God, every order must be a miracle in itself.

You might have to define miracle in order to show that the orders are miracles.

If there are previous religions from Him, He will explain to their followers and to us these religions to take kessons from them and in order to believe in these previous messages, there must be a miracle to prove that.

Again with the clarification of miracles.

There are many unanswerable questions we think it's our right too know them yet our minds cannot reach their answers like:

Why are they unanswerable? Did the deity of your preferred religion make them unanswerable? Why?

How are we created? How was the beginning of the creation? Who is Allah? What happened in the past and what will happen in the future? What is after death? Who we are? and why?

All these questions have to be answered and supported with an evidence to distinguish the religion of Allah from human lies.

There may not be a religion of Allah, I am quite OK with such a notion and so far it seems the most reasonable position.

The miracle as you know is The Quran itself.

I did not actually know that.

Would you like me to show you?

I would like you to show this.

[Filthy Tugboat]

The miracle as you know is The Quran itself.

Would you like me to show you?

Well I did not know that the quran was a miracle, but sure, go ahead and show me.

Salam brother,

The Quran is the words of Allah. Here is the evidence:

If we read a book of a famous auther without knowing that he is its auther, we will know him from his style, yes?

A reasonable amount of conjecture can be made, yes.

What if this book is the words of Allah The One God, The Creator?

That sounds like a pretty big if and one many people have tried to exploit.

Do you think Who created our minds which we use to think and understand and analyse and read and write, His book and His words are like ours?

I have no idea and I can see no reason to trust anybodies conclusion on this as it appears to be unanswerable without knowing this creator of sorts.

If you read His book, will know immediately that it is the words of Allah.

I have read "[the Qur'an]" and I disagree with your conclusion.

Prophet Muhammad didn't comopse peotry through out his life and never attend such competitions. The unlettered Muhammad recieved the first revelation sent to Him from God by angel Jibril at the age of forty and revelation continued till his death when he was 63.

I doubt the truth of this assertion.

Quran is a miracle, you can understand this from the interpretation of this Ayah:

"Say, Indeed in case humankind and the jinn gathered together to come up with the like of this Quran, they would not come up with its like, even if they were backers of one another. [17:88]

So the Qur'an is a miracle because the Qur'an says that men and jinn could not create the Qur'an even if they worked together. Circular reasoning at it's finest.

Many people turned to Islam when first heared the message of Allah and most of them were the weak and poor.
The rich found this message against their economic interest so:

"And the ones who have disbelieved say, Do not give ear to this Quran, and talk idly about it, that possibly you would overcome..26 So indeed We will definitely cause the ones who have disbelieved to taste strict torment, and indeed We will definitely recompense them (for) the most odious of whatever they were doing.
27. That is the recompense of the enemies of Allah: the Fire, wherein they will have the Home of Eternity as a recompense for that they used to repudiate Our signs.28 [41:26/28]

So the Qur'an sets up a system that allows for people to explain away why some people do not join their religion. Many religions do this, they find a way to segregate society and make the believers of their religion feel as though they are right while others are wrong.

[happy forever]

Allah being Arabic for "God", who's to say they don't?

???

I feel you concentrate on me. What do you want to say? If you are Islam fighter, choose another thread.

"The One" what? Jet Li?

The One is The One.

Nothing is funny.

No, I doubt any crosses or rocks or pictures were created by jesus, or at least, not the ones we see today. They were most likely created by people who believe the Bible's claims made on behalf of a character named Jesus.

Him is a pronoun refers only To Him. Can't you see the capital letter?

Jesus is a slave to Allah as we all are slaves to Him (Allah).
We don't create stones, we don't create anything, we just use things to make our life eaiser. When you create a hair of you, create a sand in a stone.

[happy forever]

You might have to define miracle in order to show that the orders are miracles.

A miracle is that which breaks the rules of naure.
Allah created this universe with very accurate restrict rules as you must be born and must die. The sun rises and sets.

Prophet Jesus is a miracle because he was born without a father (a natural rule is broken).
The stick of Moses is a miracle because it turned to a snake (rule is broken).

The Munificent Quran is a miracle because we cannot produce the like of a Surah of it. (More unimaginable miracle to know the language and the words yet unable to imitate a small Surah)!

[happy forever]

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I have read "[the Qur'an]" and I disagree with your conclusion.

You didn't, man

I doubt the truth of this assertion.

Hush, ignorant. You don't have the right to doubt what you don't know.
Again if you are antiIslam, fight anywhere else.

[Filthy Tugboat]

Allah being Arabic for "God", who's to say they don't?

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I feel you concentrate on me. What do you want to say? If you are Islam fighter, choose another thread.

I concentrated on your posts in this thread because your posts I largely disagree with or would like you to substantiate. Why would I choose another thread? Do you not want people to challenge your assertions?

"The One" what? Jet Li?

The One is The One.

This appears to be a poor definition. Try again?

Nothing is funny.

I disagree.

No, I doubt any crosses or rocks or pictures were created by jesus, or at least, not the ones we see today. They were most likely created by people who believe the Bible's claims made on behalf of a character named Jesus.

Him is a pronoun refers only To Him. Can't you see the capital letter?

I can, I still have no idea what you mean by it.

Jesus is a slave to Allah as we all are slaves to Him (Allah).
We don't create stones, we don't create anything, we just use things to make our life eaiser. When you create a hair of you, create a sand in a stone.

I doubt your conclusions pertaining to Jesus and Allah.

[Filthy Tugboat]

You might have to define miracle in order to show that the orders are miracles.

A miracle is that which breaks the rules of naure.
Allah created this universe with very accurate restrict rules as you must be born and must die. The sun rises and sets.

I doubt this conclusion, could you substantiate please.

Prophet Jesus is a miracle because he was born without a father (a natural rule is broken).
The stick of Moses is a miracle because it turned to a snake (rule is broken).

Could you show that these comments are true? They are more likely to be false claims written in religious promotional literature.

The Munificent Quran is a miracle because we cannot produce the like of a Surah of it. (More unimaginable miracle to know the language and the words yet unable to imitate a small Surah)!

Could you substantiate this claim.

[Filthy Tugboat]

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I have read "[the Qur'an]" and I disagree with your conclusion.

You didn't, man

Please support this assertion. How do you know that I didn't? Is it possible that you are mistaken or perhaps blatantly lying? I contend that I have read the Qur'an and that I disagree with your conclusions on it's legitimacy.

I doubt the truth of this assertion.

Hush, ignorant. You don't have the right to doubt what you don't know.

I have reported you for directing a personal insulting comment at me, please pay closer attention to forum rules. This is a website that boasts civility, if you are unable to act civil, feel free to post elsewhere.

Again if you are antiIslam, fight anywhere else

Again, if you are incapable of defending your views from being challenged then perhaps you should re-evaluate your views.

your triviality are not working here.

I don't follow.