Origin of non-christian religions

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Origin of non-christian religions

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Hi everyone,

I would like to ask question about origin of non-christian religions (this is my first post :-), I'm christian )
OK - so I've been thinking and idea came:
As a christian, I believe in God, his creation of universe . There are, however, other religions such as buddhism, taoism, muslim, etc.
They don't believe in God *AND* because God is one who created universe (and they don't believe in him), their gods doesn't exist. Because there is good (God) and then evil (absence of God) - and they don't believe in him, are they product of evil (I mean those religions) ?
Are they work of evil to draw attention not to God, but to something other ?
OK, and last question - (if answer to last question is yes) - are those people evil / bad becouse there are spreading their non-christian religion ? (maybe there don't mean to do bad thing - they believe that they are doing good, but unknowingly doing bad)

(DISCLAIMER: I do not want to harass or find excuse to disdain non-christian people, I just want to know answer to stated questions)

Many thanks

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Thank you. Logic is the only thing that can help us to find the truth.

But you still didn't answer my question... "A Christian claims his religion is true because of a miracle from God. A Moslem claims his religion is a true because of a miracle from God. Both cannot be correct, either one or neither are, so which would it be?"

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Laško wrote:Thank you. Logic is the only thing that can help us to find the truth.

But you still didn't answer my question... "A Christian claims his religion is true because of a miracle from God. A Moslem claims his religion is a true because of a miracle from God. Both cannot be correct, either one or neither are, so which would it be?"
I answered before brother,

Islam is the true religion.
If there a slight proof for Christianity, I will follow it. There is no religion with evidence except Islam.

My reply is not direct. Here is the direct.
Fortunately, one of them and this one is Islam.

I wanted to show you that Christianity is not supported with slight trivial evidence and I am open minded to any logical evidence and I believe in my religion not because I was born among Muslims but because as you said "Logic helps us to know find the truth" and Islam is the father of logic.

MAy you answer my question? What do you think what the miracle from your Creator that suits you?

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happy forever wrote: I answered before brother,

Islam is the true religion.
If there a slight proof for Christianity, I will follow it. There is no religion with evidence except Islam.

My reply is not direct. Here is the direct.
Fortunately, one of them and this one is Islam.

I wanted to show you that Christianity is not supported with slight trivial evidence and I am open minded to any logical evidence and I believe in my religion not because I was born among Muslims but because as you said "Logic helps us to know find the truth" and Islam is the father of logic.
Let me rephrase the question. If a Christian came to you and said, "I know that Christianity is the true religion because God showed me it was by a miracle," what would you say to him?
happy forever wrote: MAy you answer my question? What do you think what the miracle from your Creator that suits you?
Me personally, I don't believe in miracles, so I think that christian and you are wrong.

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Laško wrote:
happy forever wrote: I answered before brother,

Islam is the true religion.
If there a slight proof for Christianity, I will follow it. There is no religion with evidence except Islam.

My reply is not direct. Here is the direct.
Fortunately, one of them and this one is Islam.

I wanted to show you that Christianity is not supported with slight trivial evidence and I am open minded to any logical evidence and I believe in my religion not because I was born among Muslims but because as you said "Logic helps us to know find the truth" and Islam is the father of logic.
Let me rephrase the question. If a Christian came to you and said, "I know that Christianity is the true religion because God showed me it was by a miracle," what would you say to him?
happy forever wrote: MAy you answer my question? What do you think what the miracle from your Creator that suits you?
Me personally, I don't believe in miracles, so I think that christian and you are wrong.
I will tell him show me this miracle and I will believe you or else you are a big liar.

So simply, this is the logic, fact is fact clear like the sun, yes?

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happy forever wrote:
I will tell him show me this miracle and I will believe you or else you are a big liar.

So simply, this is the logic, fact is fact clear like the sun, yes?
Then I can say the same thing to you about the quote miracle you experience... show me this miracle and I will believe you or else you are a big liar.

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Laško wrote:
happy forever wrote:
I will tell him show me this miracle and I will believe you or else you are a big liar.

So simply, this is the logic, fact is fact clear like the sun, yes?
Then I can say the same thing to you about the quote miracle you experience... show me this miracle and I will believe you or else you are a big liar.
Ok brother, and with logic :D

Islam is the last religion of Allah and Quran is the words of Allah and Allah is our Creator.

The evidence of Allah is His creation and the evidence of Islam is the words of Allah.

Allah created your mind and my mind to know Him and and obey His orders, to do good and avoid evil. How can we know His orders?

He sent orders in a book through His messenger Muhammad and supported His messenger with miracles but......

Prophet Muhammad is dead and also his miracles except one miracle.

Now brother there are countless religions, how to know the religion of Allah?

Of course by mind because Who created our minds will make His religion the most logical strong clear one.

In order to be sure that every order is from Allah The One God, every order must be a miracle in itself.

If there are previous religions from Him, He will explain to their followers and to us these religions to take kessons from them and in order to believe in these previous messages, there must be a miracle to prove that.

There are many unanswerable questions we think it's our right too know them yet our minds cannot reach their answers like:
How are we created? How was the beginning of the creation? Who is Allah? What happened in the past and what will happen in the future? What is after death? Who we are? and why?

All these questions have to be answered and supported with an evidence to distinguish the religion of Allah from human lies.

The miracle as you know is The Quran itself.

Would you like me to show you?

Remember, you have agreed to follow the truth.

Thanks brother and be sure that every word I write is the truth and suppoted with a clear evidence like the sun.

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happy forever wrote:The miracle as you know is The Quran itself.

Would you like me to show you?
Well I did not know that the quran was a miracle, but sure, go ahead and show me.

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happy forever wrote:
Laško wrote:
happy forever wrote: I answered before brother,

Islam is the true religion.
If there a slight proof for Christianity, I will follow it. There is no religion with evidence except Islam.

My reply is not direct. Here is the direct.
Fortunately, one of them and this one is Islam.

I wanted to show you that Christianity is not supported with slight trivial evidence and I am open minded to any logical evidence and I believe in my religion not because I was born among Muslims but because as you said "Logic helps us to know find the truth" and Islam is the father of logic.
Let me rephrase the question. If a Christian came to you and said, "I know that Christianity is the true religion because God showed me it was by a miracle," what would you say to him?
happy forever wrote: MAy you answer my question? What do you think what the miracle from your Creator that suits you?
Me personally, I don't believe in miracles, so I think that christian and you are wrong.
I will tell him show me this miracle and I will believe you or else you are a big liar.

So simply, this is the logic, fact is fact clear like the sun, yes?
Welll. ok.. Show me this miracle. Can you??
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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Laško wrote:
happy forever wrote:The miracle as you know is The Quran itself.

Would you like me to show you?
Well I did not know that the quran was a miracle, but sure, go ahead and show me.
Salam brother, :)

The Quran is the words of Allah. Here is the evidence:

If we read a book of a famous auther without knowing that he is its auther, we will know him from his style, yes?
What if this book is the words of Allah The One God, The Creator?
Do you think Who created our minds which we use to think and understand and analyse and read and write, His book and His words are like ours?

If you read His book, will know immediately that it is the words of Allah.

Muhammad was born in Mecca, the Arab tribe (Arabic started from this country then distributed in some parts in Arab peninsula then spread with Islam).
Arabic at that time was pure and Meccans were the masters of Arabic and very proud of it. They used to make competitions of who can produce the best poem or any kind of literature. They could talk to each other in daily life with poems and had the ability to keep by heart very long peoms that could take many pages of written only from hearing it once.
Prophet Muhammad didn't comopse peotry through out his life and never attend such competitions. The unlettered Muhammad recieved the first revelation sent to Him from God by angel Jibril at the age of forty and revelation continued till his death when he was 63.

Quran is a miracle, you can understand this from the interpretation of this Ayah:

"Say, Indeed in case humankind and the jinn gathered together to come up with the like of this Quran, they would not come up with its like, even if they were backers of one another. [17:88]

Many people turned to Islam when first heared the message of Allah and most of them were the weak and poor.
The rich found this message against their economic interest so:

"And the ones who have disbelieved say, Do not give ear to this Quran, and talk idly about it, that possibly you would overcome..26 So indeed We will definitely cause the ones who have disbelieved to taste strict torment, and indeed We will definitely recompense them (for) the most odious of whatever they were doing.
27. That is the recompense of the enemies of Allah: the Fire, wherein they will have the Home of Eternity as a recompense for that they used to repudiate Our signs.28 [41:26/28]

They told people that Muhammad is a magician and if you listen to Quran, will be witched!

Read the story of that great man, Omar ibn El Khattab the companion of the messenger of Allah and how he turned to Islam.

Now Arabic is in deterioration and our bad colloquial Arabic.
The masters failed to produce the like of a Surah of Quran, will we?!

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happy forever wrote: Islam is the only true religion.
Not quite. Apologists and promoters of Islam claim that Islam is the only true religion. It has not been shown that their claim is correct.
happy forever wrote: "Verily the religion of Allah is Islam" Quran
[...]
Abraham was Muslim, Mosa was Muslim, Jesus and his followers were Muslims.
Wow! That's amazing. In the holy revelation of the Islamic religion, there is a claim that Islam is the true religion.

Truth is that there was no religion like Islam until after 610 CE. The religions practiced by Moses (Moshe), and Jesus were not the same as the religion preached by Mohammad.
happy forever wrote: Islam is different because it is the last message and Muhammad is the last prophet and Quran is the last book sent for all humanity till The Last Day.
How does anyone know that? Christians claim that their revelation is the last revelation from the god to humanity. The Mormons claim that they have yet another few books. How does one assess these competing claims of divine revelation?
happy forever wrote: In order to be sure, check yourself the meaning of Islam and Muslim, the meaning of Christianity and Judaism and judge yourself which religion is the true only from its name.
Having the right name does not mean that it is true. For example, the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, is certainly not democratic.
happy forever wrote: The first message of all religions and the first commandment in these three heaven religions is "No god but The One God".

La Ilah Ila Allah
That is the message of all of the monotheistic religions of the world. Each claims that there is only one God. Those following a different religion either are worshiping someone or something that is not God or they believe some false things about the one god that they worship. The distinction between the two varies from group to group.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John

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