Should landlords, employers, educators, government agencies and persons conducting business be allowed, by law, to discriminate against homosexual persons solely on the basis of the person's sexual orientation?
Should churches be allowed to discriminate against homosexual persons?
Should discrimination against gays be allowed?
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Post #21
What math are you talking about? I would be happy to do it, but I haven't the foggiest idea what you are getting at with your 'do the math' comments.AlAyeti wrote:Let's see? "lesbian" "gay" "bisexual" and "transgendered."
Of course it wasn't surpising you left off ... "Questioning Youth."
They the youth questioning sexuality I presume, are the new members of that "community." Which of course is pretty much every child on earth. I don't know your age but I had a loy of "questions" going through puberty.
I'm glad my "dad" was heterosexual.
But I'm sorry help me out?
I don't see "homosexual" anywhere in those proud monikers up above?
How many pedophiles hide among the innocent? A "heterosexual" adult that has sex with a same sex boys is having what kind of sex?
L or G or B or T?
Definately sex with questioning youth but also "homosexual sex."
Do the math.
And yes, homosexuality and adultery are comparable. Again, do the math.
From what I have seen of 'questioning youth', they are simply trying to provide a venue for those who believe they might be gay to discuss the issue without fear of condemnation or worse. As has been pointed out to you numerous times, homosexuals, especially in school situations, are under real danger of physical and verbal abuse and worse. They suffer this predominantly because they are perceived as 'different', just as blacks used to suffer because they were percieved as different.
Should discrimination against gays be allowed?
Certainly not by the government. Also, reasonable means should be taken to see that private citizens do not endanger, abuse, etc. homosexuals. Should the free speech rights of those who oppose homosexuality be preserved, including churches? Yes, as long as they do not purposefully incite violence or other illegal activity against homosexuals.
Post #22
I don't think he's ever going to answer, and he's never going to conclusively prove his claims about the existence gay shadow government, or about the total, 100% equivalence of homosexuality and pedophilia.micatala wrote:What math are you talking about? I would be happy to do it, but I haven't the foggiest idea what you are getting at with your 'do the math' comments.
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Post #23
Of course not. Which is why we should not pass laws dictating that everyone is to be of the same sexual orientation to recieve the same rights under law. I am not denied any rights for choosing not to shop at the Gap.Should we pass laws that everyone has to buy the same car or shop at only the Gap? Or will we be assigned our spending orientation in shopping class in school?
Homosexuality=phedophilia? Not all gays are phedophiles.
Homosexuality=adultery? Not all gays are adulturers.
I am doing to math, but it does not seem to support your convictions.
Post #24
If a child feels they might believe in Jesus as God or, Allah as the supreme being, is there a relgion orientation organization that is allowed in the schools?
How interesting that religion is not allowed access to schools and sexual deviance is in.
Pedophilia.
A discriminating parent like a shrewed shopper should be wide awake for what's going on in our schools and who and what is trying to get access to those youth questioning things.
Now, are there any heterosexual organizations allowed to tell a questioning youth that what they are feeling may just be a phase of an developing adolescent mind, or if a child just squeaks about questioning their sexual feelings do they only get PFLAG and LGBT literature and "support" clubs as "support?"
I'm sorry, I should have said LGBT and "Questioning Youth." I forget about the "community" as a whole. Its definately Freudian. But there is no balance to what is happening in the sexual orientation world. How many young people are confused? A lot. Especially in todays world of unchecked relativism. Pedophiles can have a field day in support positions having to do with the young. How is that not a concern worth having?
Now, when same-sex unions is forced onto American society, do you think that the homosexual community will be teaching abstinence before "Marriage" as part of their sexual education?
Somehow I think condoms and battery powered toys are the sole source of the "moral" voice that will be proffered even then.
And on the adultery comparison?
Adultery and sexual licentiousness (promiscuity) go hand in hand. The comparison is only for Christians in a setting appropriate for debatingchristianity.com.
How interesting that religion is not allowed access to schools and sexual deviance is in.
Pedophilia.
A discriminating parent like a shrewed shopper should be wide awake for what's going on in our schools and who and what is trying to get access to those youth questioning things.
Now, are there any heterosexual organizations allowed to tell a questioning youth that what they are feeling may just be a phase of an developing adolescent mind, or if a child just squeaks about questioning their sexual feelings do they only get PFLAG and LGBT literature and "support" clubs as "support?"
I'm sorry, I should have said LGBT and "Questioning Youth." I forget about the "community" as a whole. Its definately Freudian. But there is no balance to what is happening in the sexual orientation world. How many young people are confused? A lot. Especially in todays world of unchecked relativism. Pedophiles can have a field day in support positions having to do with the young. How is that not a concern worth having?
Now, when same-sex unions is forced onto American society, do you think that the homosexual community will be teaching abstinence before "Marriage" as part of their sexual education?
Somehow I think condoms and battery powered toys are the sole source of the "moral" voice that will be proffered even then.
And on the adultery comparison?
Adultery and sexual licentiousness (promiscuity) go hand in hand. The comparison is only for Christians in a setting appropriate for debatingchristianity.com.
Post #25
Don't worry Buggie perhaps you'll get used to him - for some weird reason I have. Not answering is his 'signature' and talking in circles (endlessly) his mode d'emploie.Bugmaster wrote:I don't think he's ever going to answer, and he's never going to conclusively prove his claims about the existence gay shadow government, or about the total, 100% equivalence of homosexuality and pedophilia.micatala wrote:What math are you talking about? I would be happy to do it, but I haven't the foggiest idea what you are getting at with your 'do the math' comments.
Is there an "ignore" feature on these forums ?
Ignore at the risk of missing out on a laugh (if it wasn't so sad!)
He is an archtype.
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"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."
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William James quoting Dr. Hodgson
"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."
Nisargadatta Maharaj
Post #26
In our schools, the Christian "Good News Clubs" are allowed to hold meetings in school after hours. I would guess practics vary a bit from school to school in general. I would certainly be interested in seeing any hard evidence on what is or is not allowed. Not speculations, not unsubstantiated assertions. Hard evidence.If a child feels they might believe in Jesus as God or, Allah as the supreme being, is there a relgion orientation organization that is allowed in the schools?
This mischaracterizes what is occurring and why.How interesting that religion is not allowed access to schools and sexual deviance is in.
If a school had a problem with some of its students beating up kids who belonged to a religion where all the females must be married by age 15, what do you think the school should do? Ignore the problem?
Would the school be guilty of promoting 'marriage at 15' simply because they took measures to protect these children?
Of course not. Your accusation is off the mark and mischaracterizes the reasons some schools take the measures they do.
Just throwing this in without any logic for it?Pedophilia.
Pedophilia is not the same as homosexuality. Empirical fact. Consult your dictionary.
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Post #27
Are homosexual organizations allowed in schools? Certainly not mine...If a child feels they might believe in Jesus as God or, Allah as the supreme being, is there a relgion orientation organization that is allowed in the schools?
Sexual deviance is not, and has never been 'in'. Schools are bound by law to stay neutral on controversial issues, religion included. To echo Micatala, protecting the rights of the homosexual agenda is not the same as promoting it. The same goes for religion.How interesting that religion is not allowed access to schools and sexual deviance is in.
Pedophilia.
Even if gays are promoting thier lifestyles amoung children, how can you relate that to pedophilia?
Pedophilia. The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children.
If they were demanding the right to have sex with our children then you might have a point. But as it is, I think you are in need of a new term.
But can all gays be classified as promiscuous? The same-sex couples I know certainly do not encourage their partners to be adulterous.Adultery and sexual licentiousness (promiscuity) go hand in hand.
Post #28
I am not sure, but I think that AlAyeti might be saying that homosexuality is the origin of promiscuity. That is, if we didn't have gay people, we'd all be monogamous. Sounds weird, I know...The Persnickety Platypus wrote:But can all gays be classified as promiscuous? The same-sex couples I know certainly do not encourage their partners to be adulterous.
Post #29
I thought I'd point out a few of the more malicious and pedophilic organizations which the LGBT movement has targeted at "questioning youths" all over the country. It's really sick and twisted, so be prepared.
1. The Safe Schools Coalition
Featuring forums of licentiousness like "Be yourself," "I think I might be gay, now what do I do?," and hold on: "Computer Safety," this site seeks to force schools "become safe places where every family can belong, where every educator can teach, and where every child can learn, regardless of gender identity or sexual orientation." And by that, they obviously mean, "we want everyone to be gay and we want to have sex with your kids!"
2. Youth OUTreach
Even more deplorable, this site operates under an even more clever guise stating that: "Although not everyone knows while they're still a teenager that they are homosexual, bisexual, or transgender, many do. And for these young people, growing up can be much harder due to the isolation, ostracism, and negative pressures they frequently face." Evil propaganda, am I right? People aren't born that way! It's a choice those people make and because of that they must be punished of their sins through denigration and hate, it's God's will unless they repent- and Youth OUTreach knows it! They're just out to hurt people.
3. Healthy LGB Students
Sponsored by the American Psychological Association, this site is the most evil, most corrupt, and is an obvious foot-into-the-door of American politics and government. Their mission: "To strengthen the capacity of the nation's schools to prevent the behavioral health risks of lesbian, gay, and bisexual students through knowledge development, dissemination, and application, working with and through national organizations of school stakeholders." How sick- why lie to these naive sinners by telling them, and those in charge of them that they can be healthy??? Behavioral health risks: they'll have plenty of risks waiting for them in hell! They are not healthy, they're sinners and all this organization is doing is supporting the development of a pedophile army!!! America is surely in shambles!
In only minutes I was able to find these sites and many more just like them attacking the fragile minds of our youth who just don't know any better. Let's face it, any teen that thinks she/he might be LGBT is just confused and stupid and must not have a strong enough personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Therefore, we must speak out against horrible organizations such as these promoting such disgusting things as healthy development, safety in schools, self knowledge, and a helping hand- all code words for "be a pedophile." Is it not obvious?
This is seriously the state of affairs of some people's minds in the U.S. right here and now. They look at organizations like these and see corruption, see depravity and evil. When hatred and fear fuels paranoea and irrationality, what then are we to do in the face of intolerance?[/quote]
1. The Safe Schools Coalition
Featuring forums of licentiousness like "Be yourself," "I think I might be gay, now what do I do?," and hold on: "Computer Safety," this site seeks to force schools "become safe places where every family can belong, where every educator can teach, and where every child can learn, regardless of gender identity or sexual orientation." And by that, they obviously mean, "we want everyone to be gay and we want to have sex with your kids!"
2. Youth OUTreach
Even more deplorable, this site operates under an even more clever guise stating that: "Although not everyone knows while they're still a teenager that they are homosexual, bisexual, or transgender, many do. And for these young people, growing up can be much harder due to the isolation, ostracism, and negative pressures they frequently face." Evil propaganda, am I right? People aren't born that way! It's a choice those people make and because of that they must be punished of their sins through denigration and hate, it's God's will unless they repent- and Youth OUTreach knows it! They're just out to hurt people.
3. Healthy LGB Students
Sponsored by the American Psychological Association, this site is the most evil, most corrupt, and is an obvious foot-into-the-door of American politics and government. Their mission: "To strengthen the capacity of the nation's schools to prevent the behavioral health risks of lesbian, gay, and bisexual students through knowledge development, dissemination, and application, working with and through national organizations of school stakeholders." How sick- why lie to these naive sinners by telling them, and those in charge of them that they can be healthy??? Behavioral health risks: they'll have plenty of risks waiting for them in hell! They are not healthy, they're sinners and all this organization is doing is supporting the development of a pedophile army!!! America is surely in shambles!
In only minutes I was able to find these sites and many more just like them attacking the fragile minds of our youth who just don't know any better. Let's face it, any teen that thinks she/he might be LGBT is just confused and stupid and must not have a strong enough personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Therefore, we must speak out against horrible organizations such as these promoting such disgusting things as healthy development, safety in schools, self knowledge, and a helping hand- all code words for "be a pedophile." Is it not obvious?
This is seriously the state of affairs of some people's minds in the U.S. right here and now. They look at organizations like these and see corruption, see depravity and evil. When hatred and fear fuels paranoea and irrationality, what then are we to do in the face of intolerance?[/quote]
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as the fate of those whose feet are slipping.
as the fate of those whose feet are slipping.
Post #30
Actually, there is one group I've heard of, the Metropolitan Community Church (www.mccchurch.org), whose membership seems to be primarily made up of people in the GLBT community. As for "anti-Christians", well, I'm not sure about them.AlAyeti wrote:Why can't gays and other anti-Christians start their own churches?
