Allah Vs. the Christian God

Kuan · Post by **Kuan** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:13 pm

A lot of Christians don't realize that Muslims worship the same god as they do.

Question for Debate: Why? Is there a Islamic belief that causes this?

Adstar · Post by **Adstar** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:39 am

mormon boy51 wrote:
Adstar wrote: I am not surprised that a mormon would state that the god of islam was the same as the God of Christianity.
I wouldnt say they are exactly the same, but each religion claims to worship the Abrahamic god. Which one is correct? We might believe we know but we could die and discover we were incorrect. So the abrahamic god you worship is different than someone elses view of the abrahamic god. So which person worships the abrahamic god? I would say that it is the person who believes he is worshiping the abrahamic god.

Totally disagree. (of course what did you expect) The God of Abraham does not morph into what someone genuinely believes He is. The God of Abraham is who He is. Does not matter how genuine people are. People can be and are genuinely wrong about Him and His will. There can never be two versions of the God of Abraham, never ever.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:52 am

In science, when there is a disagreement about the attributes of some entity, an objective experiment can be devised to directly test that entity for that attribute. In theology, when there is a disagreement about the attributes of the deity, the only recourse is to ancient authoritative texts and to logic and reason. However, it seems to me that logic and reason take a secondary role to revelation. When various theists disagree about which texts are holy, to what can they appeal? There can never be two contradictory versions of the God of Abraham, both true. At most, only one can be true. However, we cannot dismiss the possibility that both views are false.

Kuan · Post by **Kuan** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:12 am

Adstar wrote:
mormon boy51 wrote:
Adstar wrote: I am not surprised that a mormon would state that the god of islam was the same as the God of Christianity.
I wouldnt say they are exactly the same, but each religion claims to worship the Abrahamic god. Which one is correct? We might believe we know but we could die and discover we were incorrect. So the abrahamic god you worship is different than someone elses view of the abrahamic god. So which person worships the abrahamic god? I would say that it is the person who believes he is worshiping the abrahamic god.
Totally disagree. (of course what did you expect) The God of Abraham does not morph into what someone genuinely believes He is.

He will not morph from what he is. Yet, who is right about what he is?

The God of Abraham is who He is. Does not matter how genuine people are.

I agree

People can be and are genuinely wrong about Him and His will. There can never be two versions of the God of Abraham, never ever.

People can be genuinely wrong, but who is right? There can be only one true version but which one is it? Each person believes he is following the right version. You think that you are correct, I think I am, and a Muslim believes that he is correct.

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:26 am

Adstar, quoting the Epistle to the Galatians wrote: But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

To me, it is always a sign that someone is not confident in the persuasiveness of their arguments when they have to buttress them with supernatural threats.

Adstar · Post by **Adstar** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:36 pm

mormon boy51 wrote:
Adstar wrote:
mormon boy51 wrote:
Adstar wrote: I am not surprised that a mormon would state that the god of islam was the same as the God of Christianity.
I wouldnt say they are exactly the same, but each religion claims to worship the Abrahamic god. Which one is correct? We might believe we know but we could die and discover we were incorrect. So the abrahamic god you worship is different than someone elses view of the abrahamic god. So which person worships the abrahamic god? I would say that it is the person who believes he is worshiping the abrahamic god.
Totally disagree. (of course what did you expect) The God of Abraham does not morph into what someone genuinely believes He is.
He will not morph from what he is. Yet, who is right about what he is?
The God of Abraham is who He is. Does not matter how genuine people are.
I agree
People can be and are genuinely wrong about Him and His will. There can never be two versions of the God of Abraham, never ever.
People can be genuinely wrong, but who is right? There can be only one true version but which one is it? Each person believes he is following the right version. You think that you are correct, I think I am, and a Muslim believes that he is correct.

Well i will go back down into some basic wisdom for you mormon boy51.

Everyone is saying who is right who is wrong. But the system of God is perfect for delivering those who are right with God.

Let every person follow what they see as right. In the end if they embraced a lie they will be condemned and if they embrace the truth then they will be made justified. The system is perfect. The Word God sent out will achieve His purpose.

Now everyone who believes that a God exists must be very intent on finding out the true Will of God. They cannot rely on their parents or their community being right on this question of ultimate personal importance.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Kuan · Post by **Kuan** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:14 pm

Adstar wrote:
mormon boy51 wrote:
Adstar wrote:
mormon boy51 wrote:
Adstar wrote: I am not surprised that a mormon would state that the god of islam was the same as the God of Christianity.
I wouldnt say they are exactly the same, but each religion claims to worship the Abrahamic god. Which one is correct? We might believe we know but we could die and discover we were incorrect. So the abrahamic god you worship is different than someone elses view of the abrahamic god. So which person worships the abrahamic god? I would say that it is the person who believes he is worshiping the abrahamic god.
Totally disagree. (of course what did you expect) The God of Abraham does not morph into what someone genuinely believes He is.
He will not morph from what he is. Yet, who is right about what he is?
The God of Abraham is who He is. Does not matter how genuine people are.
I agree
People can be and are genuinely wrong about Him and His will. There can never be two versions of the God of Abraham, never ever.
People can be genuinely wrong, but who is right? There can be only one true version but which one is it? Each person believes he is following the right version. You think that you are correct, I think I am, and a Muslim believes that he is correct.
Well i will go back down into some basic wisdom for you mormon boy51.

Everyone is saying who is right who is wrong. But the system of God is perfect for delivering those who are right with God.

Let every person follow what they see as right. In the end if they embraced a lie they will be condemned and if they embrace the truth then they will be made justified. The system is perfect. The Word God sent out will achieve His purpose.

Now everyone who believes that a God exists must be very intent on finding out the true Will of God. They cannot rely on their parents or their community being right on this question of ultimate personal importance.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

And I agree, let all men worship how where, or what they may. If you truly believe in a god you will search out the correct answer. However, we need to remember that not everyone comes to the exact same conclusion.

Adstar · Post by **Adstar** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:24 pm

mormon boy51 wrote:
Adstar wrote:
mormon boy51 wrote:
Adstar wrote:
mormon boy51 wrote:
Adstar wrote: I am not surprised that a mormon would state that the god of islam was the same as the God of Christianity.
I wouldnt say they are exactly the same, but each religion claims to worship the Abrahamic god. Which one is correct? We might believe we know but we could die and discover we were incorrect. So the abrahamic god you worship is different than someone elses view of the abrahamic god. So which person worships the abrahamic god? I would say that it is the person who believes he is worshiping the abrahamic god.
Totally disagree. (of course what did you expect) The God of Abraham does not morph into what someone genuinely believes He is.
He will not morph from what he is. Yet, who is right about what he is?
The God of Abraham is who He is. Does not matter how genuine people are.
I agree
People can be and are genuinely wrong about Him and His will. There can never be two versions of the God of Abraham, never ever.
People can be genuinely wrong, but who is right? There can be only one true version but which one is it? Each person believes he is following the right version. You think that you are correct, I think I am, and a Muslim believes that he is correct.
Well i will go back down into some basic wisdom for you mormon boy51.

Everyone is saying who is right who is wrong. But the system of God is perfect for delivering those who are right with God.

Let every person follow what they see as right. In the end if they embraced a lie they will be condemned and if they embrace the truth then they will be made justified. The system is perfect. The Word God sent out will achieve His purpose.

Now everyone who believes that a God exists must be very intent on finding out the true Will of God. They cannot rely on their parents or their community being right on this question of ultimate personal importance.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days
And I agree, let all men worship how where, or what they may. If you truly believe in a god you will search out the correct answer. However, we need to remember that not everyone comes to the exact same conclusion.

Of cource they don't. Some people reject the True Message, pass it by and then embrace a lie. These are destined to the eternal lake of fire.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Kuan · Post by **Kuan** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:53 pm

Adstar wrote: Of cource they don't. Some people reject the True Message, pass it by and then embrace a lie. These are destined to the eternal lake of fire.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

This is where my views differ...

Adstar · Post by **Adstar** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:12 pm

mormon boy51 wrote:
Adstar wrote: Of cource they don't. Some people reject the True Message, pass it by and then embrace a lie. These are destined to the eternal lake of fire.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days
This is where my views differ...

Of course our views must differ, you are a mormon i am not.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Kuan · Post by **Kuan** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:14 pm

Adstar wrote:
mormon boy51 wrote:
Adstar wrote: Of cource they don't. Some people reject the True Message, pass it by and then embrace a lie. These are destined to the eternal lake of fire.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days
This is where my views differ...
Of course our views must differ, you are a mormon i am not.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Yep, I kinda think its funny how we keep stating the obvious right now lol