If You Don't Believe Quran is the Word of God

[Mirac]

Today science reveals many miracles that no one knew 14 centuries ago. Implications stated in Quran when people thought the earth had the shape of a tray prove that it was written by god. There are many evidence enough to write a book but I am giving you a few.

1. The Two Seas That Don't Merge

A French oceanographer, J. Cousteau noticed that the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean did not merge in the strait of Gibraltar. An incredible barrier prevented the two seas from coming together as stated in Quran.

"He has let free the two seas meeting together. Between them there is a barrier which they do not transgress."

(55-Gracious, 19-20)

This is because of a physical characteristic called “surface tension.� Thus, neighboring seas present different densities, salinity rates and compositions. Water, that usually mixes easily, can turn into a wall and it is not affected by strong waves and currents.

"He is the One who has set free the two seas; one is sweet and palatable, and the other is salty and bitter. And He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed."
(25-The Distinquisher, 53)

2. Orbits of Astronomical Objects

In 17th century Galileo Galilei discovered that planets orbited sun.

"It is He who created the night and the day, and the sun, and the moon; each of them floating in an orbit."

(21-The Prophets, 33)

"By the Sky with its ingeniously devised paths (orbits)."
(51-The Dispersing, 7)

3. Landing on the Moon and its Date

"And the Moon when it is full. You will surely ride from stage to stage. So, why do they not believe?"
(84-The Splitting, 18-20)

"The Hour has come closer and the moon has split."
(54-The Moon, 1)

The number of verses to be counted from this verse to the end of the Quran is 1389. The year 1389 in the Muslim calendar corresponds to the year 1969 in the Gregorian calendar, and the year 1969 was the year when man set foot on the moon for the first time.

4. The Land-Sea Ratio

Word --- Number of occurrence in Quran ---- The Ratio
Sea --------------------- 32 --------------------- 32/45=71.111
Land -------------------- 13 --------------------- 13/45=28.888

The ratio of seas to earth: %71
The ratio of lands to earth: %29

5. Geoidal Form of Earth

Quran explains that the shape of earth is not like a tray or a sphere but geoidal by resembling it to an ostrich's egg. The word “dahw� in the verse below means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg.

"He made the earth egg-shaped."

(79-The Snatchers, 30)

6. Only Female Bees Work

In recent decades, it was understood that only female bees build hives, collect nectar and make honey.

"And your Lord revealed the female honeybee; build homes in mountains, and trees, and in the hives people built for you. Then, eat of all fruits, and follow the ways of your Lord made easy (for you). There comes forth from their bellies, a drink of varying colour wherein is healing for men. Verily, in this is indeed a sign for people who think."

(16-The Honeybee, 68-69)

7. Pulsars

Pulsars are highly magnetized, rotating neutron stars that emit a beam of electromagnetic radiation. The radiation can only be observed when the beam of emission is pointing towards the Earth. This is called the lighthouse effect and gives rise to the pulsed nature that gives pulsars their name. The first pulsar was observed on November 28, 1967 (from wikipedia)

"By the heavens and The Knocker. How will you comprehend what the The Knocker is? It’s a piercing star."
(86-The Knocker, 1-3)

8. Unique Fingertips

In 1856, Genn Ginsen found out that the pattern of lines at the tip of a person’s finger was something unique to the individual. Until 1856, men knew nothing about this characteristic of fingertips.

"Does the human being think that We cannot assemble his bones? Surely, We are able to reconstruct even his fingertips."

(75-The Resurrection, 3-4)

9. Big Bang, Gaseous Stage and Expansion of Universe

The Big Bang was the event which led to the formation of the universe, according to the prevailing cosmological theory of the universe's early development (known as the Big Bang theory or Big Bang model). According to the Big Bang model, the universe, originally in an extremely hot and dense state that expanded rapidly, has since cooled by expanding to the present diluted state, and continues to expand today. Over a long period of time, the slightly denser regions of the nearly uniformly distributed matter gravitationally attracted nearby matter and thus grew even denser, forming gas clouds, stars, galaxies, and the other astronomical structures observable today. (from wikipedia)

"Do not these disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were an integrated mass, which We then split, and from water We made all living things? Will they not believe even then?"

(21-The Prophets, 30)

"Then He turned to the heavens, and it was in a gaseous state. And said to it, and the earth; “Come into existence, willingly or unwillingly.� They said, “We come willingly.� "

(41-Elucidated, 11)

"With power did We construct firmament. Verily, We are expanding it."

(51-The Dispersing, 47)

10. The Atom and its Particles

"Not even an atom’s weight in the heavens and the earth, or something smaller or greater than it is hidden from Him, but all are in a clear record."

(34-Sheba, 3)

[Murad]

Hello Darias

Yes, military interpretations of the Quran is very common among the Taliban, it could be true, but its mere opinion, thus Allah knows best.

Regarding "Science" in the Quran, i don't think time is a reason the Quran has more scientific facts than the Bible, who knew 1400 years ago that the oceans had internal currents? Or that the seas did not transgress on each other(salt & fresh water), contrary to the Bible being written by numerous authors(thus more chances of inputting scientific knowledge), the Quran was produced by 1 unschooled man.

I challenge the idea that the Quran was 'produced by 1 unschooled man'. That might be the tradition, but since the Quran was not written down until after Mohammad's death. how can you demonstrate it came from him?

The Quran was written down during his lifetime. It was compiled after his death by his 3rd disciple (who was a caliph) Uthman.

[sarabellum]

I think it would be interesting to compare different holy books scientific accuracy....
Perhaps the Quran would be more accurate than the bible....

Funny things about books, holy or otherwise....
Scientific facts end up in them....
Things people know or think end up in them...

I don't see an immediate connection between scientific accuracy and a book being the word of God....

I suppose if a holy book was chalk full of secrets to the universe than maybe I would see a stronger connection........

[Goat]

Hello Darias

Yes, military interpretations of the Quran is very common among the Taliban, it could be true, but its mere opinion, thus Allah knows best.

Regarding "Science" in the Quran, i don't think time is a reason the Quran has more scientific facts than the Bible, who knew 1400 years ago that the oceans had internal currents? Or that the seas did not transgress on each other(salt & fresh water), contrary to the Bible being written by numerous authors(thus more chances of inputting scientific knowledge), the Quran was produced by 1 unschooled man.

I challenge the idea that the Quran was 'produced by 1 unschooled man'. That might be the tradition, but since the Quran was not written down until after Mohammad's death. how can you demonstrate it came from him?

The Quran was written down during his lifetime. It was compiled after his death by his 3rd disciple (who was a caliph) Uthman.

Not from what I read. I see red flags with 'complied after his death'.

[Murad]

Hello Darias

Yes, military interpretations of the Quran is very common among the Taliban, it could be true, but its mere opinion, thus Allah knows best.

Regarding "Science" in the Quran, i don't think time is a reason the Quran has more scientific facts than the Bible, who knew 1400 years ago that the oceans had internal currents? Or that the seas did not transgress on each other(salt & fresh water), contrary to the Bible being written by numerous authors(thus more chances of inputting scientific knowledge), the Quran was produced by 1 unschooled man.

I challenge the idea that the Quran was 'produced by 1 unschooled man'. That might be the tradition, but since the Quran was not written down until after Mohammad's death. how can you demonstrate it came from him?

The Quran was written down during his lifetime. It was compiled after his death by his 3rd disciple (who was a caliph) Uthman.

Not from what I read. I see red flags with 'complied after his death'.

What have you read? What are the red flags?

The original Quranic manuscripts were the property of Hafsah(Wife of the Prophet) after the Prophet past away, which were then obtained by Uthman(A beloved Disciple of the Prophet), then copied & reproduced.

Furthermore, the Quranic revelations were originally spoken, then written. So when Muhammad(pbuh) received a revelation, he would tell all his disciples and followers to memorise it, then after it was memorised, the scribes would record it down.

[Wootah]

The real problem with these sorts of misleading notions is that if the Koran has all this scientific knowledge then
- how come no science is coming from the Muslim world.
- how come no scientist uses the Koran to find new scientific facts.

All you have is after the fact knowledge and a desperate attempt to marry passages in the Koran to scientific knowledge. This leads more credence to the notion that the Koran is nonsense and as such can mean anything.

We both know that if Islam was creating societies that were at the forefront of knowledge you would not be using such desperate measures to keep Islam relevant.

[Mirac]

The real problem with these sorts of misleading notions is that if the Koran has all this scientific knowledge then
- how come no science is coming from the Muslim world.

A very common prejudice against Muslims caused by lack of historical knowledge.

- Many scholars agree that scientific method was first developed by Islamic scientists. Muslims were significantly advanced at maths, biology, astronomy, economics... between 8th and 16th centuries. Today we use Arabic numerals and algebra. Avicenna (Ibn Sina) is regarded as the father of modern medicine. His book, The Canon of Medicine, was a standard medical text taught in Europe until 18th century. Abu Rayhan Biruni's estimate for the earth radius was only 36 km less than the modern value..... Many achievements like these happened in the Islamic Golden Age which ended by many catastrophes like crusades, Mongol invasion, the Reconquista, the Age of Discovery... Europeans learned science from Islamic scholars by crusaders and universities in Cordoba and this resulted in the appearance of the renaissance era.
For more info, please watch BBC documentary on Science and Islam.

You may ask: How about today? It's better not to ignore the Golden Ages in History. Egyptians used to build pyramids, Persians were dominating most of the world, but today who cares? Nothing lasts forever. And you should not forget your past and be arrogant as most western science was developed in the late centuries, more than a millennium after Christ.

- how come no scientist uses the Koran to find new scientific facts.

Because it's not a science book but a guide to humanity from the creator of the universe. Scientific facts in the Qur'an cannot be understood until science discovers them. For example:

"With power did We construct the heaven. Verily, We are Able to extend the vastness of space thereof."
51-The Dispersing, 47

This refers to expansion of the universe discovered lately.

"A time is fixed for every prophecy; you will come to know in time."
6-Cattle, 67.

Therefore they are not for scientific research but signs for us all.

"And He shows you His signs: Then which of the signs of God will you deny?"
40-The Believer, 81

[Wootah]

There was no golden age of Islam that wasn't simply Islam reaping from the knowledge of the civilisations it consumed and when Islam was stopped so did it's culture.

Invention occurred throughout the whole world. Islam had no special status during that time. The rest of the world can appreciate the individuals whom you mentioned because there are great people in all cultures. Heck I will go one further, to produce anything with the baggage of Islam is amazing.

All charlatans and psychics are great after the fact. Further proof that the Koran is false is that it is irrelevant what science says, Muslims will find something in the nonsense in that book. That is the beauty of the Koran, it is nonsense and as such a desperate mind can and will try to make sense of it.

[Mirac]

There was no golden age of Islam that wasn't simply Islam reaping from the knowledge of the civilisations it consumed and when Islam was stopped so did it's culture.

Invention occurred throughout the whole world. Islam had no special status during that time. The rest of the world can appreciate the individuals whom you mentioned because there are great people in all cultures. Heck I will go one further, to produce anything with the baggage of Islam is amazing.

All charlatans and psychics are great after the fact. Further proof that the Koran is false is that it is irrelevant what science says, Muslims will find something in the nonsense in that book. That is the beauty of the Koran, it is nonsense and as such a desperate mind can and will try to make sense of it.

A typical hate speech.

We hate some persons because we do not know them; and will not know them because we hate them.
Charles Caleb Colton

[Kuan]

There was no golden age of Islam that wasn't simply Islam reaping from the knowledge of the civilisations it consumed and when Islam was stopped so did it's culture.

Invention occurred throughout the whole world. Islam had no special status during that time. The rest of the world can appreciate the individuals whom you mentioned because there are great people in all cultures. Heck I will go one further, to produce anything with the baggage of Islam is amazing.

All charlatans and psychics are great after the fact. Further proof that the Koran is false is that it is irrelevant what science says, Muslims will find something in the nonsense in that book. That is the beauty of the Koran, it is nonsense and as such a desperate mind can and will try to make sense of it.

Take out Islam and replace it with christianity. Then Quran and replace with the bible. Then Muslim with Christian. BINGO! It matches perfectly!

[Darias]

The real problem with these sorts of misleading notions is that if the Koran has all this scientific knowledge then
- how come no science is coming from the Muslim world.
- how come no scientist uses the Koran to find new scientific facts.

All you have is after the fact knowledge and a desperate attempt to marry passages in the Koran to scientific knowledge. This leads more credence to the notion that the Koran is nonsense and as such can mean anything.

We both know that if Islam was creating societies that were at the forefront of knowledge you would not be using such desperate measures to keep Islam relevant.


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There was no golden age of Islam that wasn't simply Islam reaping from the knowledge of the civilisations it consumed and when Islam was stopped so did it's culture.

Invention occurred throughout the whole world. Islam had no special status during that time. The rest of the world can appreciate the individuals whom you mentioned because there are great people in all cultures. Heck I will go one further, to produce anything with the baggage of Islam is amazing.

All charlatans and psychics are great after the fact. Further proof that the Koran is false is that it is irrelevant what science says, Muslims will find something in the nonsense in that book. That is the beauty of the Koran, it is nonsense and as such a desperate mind can and will try to make sense of it.

I'm not a Muslim, I'm a Christian, and as a student of history I must, must point out that you are completely wrong by saying that Islam an d Islamic cultures have never produced anything worthy of science. That is not simply an opinion; it is totally ignorant of history.

When Medieval Christian Europe was ravaged by the Black Death (all while slaughtering Jews in a desperate attempt to appease what they saw as God's wrath), Muslim societies worked on medicinal cures and allowed religious freedom (although nothing like the religious freedom of the United States -- it was still a society quite advanced for its time). And it was a religious duty to pursue a medical cure -- because they believed, according to the Hadiths, that "there is a cure for every illness except death."

Where do you think Arabic Numerals come from? The numbers we use? Think how hard math would be if we had to divide XXIV by III?

In 1492, Catholic Spain forcibly expelled all its Jews and Muslims -- and the Ottoman Empire welcomed them in. Spain later expelled the descendants of the Muslims who had converted to Christianity as well.

In all respects, It was only a few hundred years ago that Christian cultures were the embodiment of everything backwards, whereas Muslim societies were tolerant and advanced for their time. This is just a historical fact.

Of course it doesn't mean that Islam is the one true faith and it doesn't prove the Koran or the existence of God... but it is what it is.