Jesus is a superior prophet to Mohammed

[Yolande]

The Koran agrees that Jesus was born from a virgin and Mohammed was not

The Koran agrees that Jesus did miracles but makes no mention of any miracles Mohammed did

The Koran agrees that a prophet can never lie. Jesus called Himself Son of God and even God Himself on many occasions and also accepted worship from people.

The Koran agrees that Jesus is the Messiah and Mohammed is not.

So, from this, it must be concluded that Jesus is a superior prophet than Mohammed.

[Goat]

The hebrew manuscripts in which the Bible is derived from, differ in the sequence of events, and also on what exactly happened at the alleged crucifiction.

As somebody stated the NT was written Greek, actually it was Koine Greek. Although technically the gospels were written in Aramiac the language of Christ, but the originals have been lost through time, "or the Vatican tend not to share with protestants"

From textual analsys of the Greek Gospels, there is no evidence of it being translated. There is some evidence that the author of the Gospel of Mark knew some Aramaic sayings, but it shows no signs of being translated.

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

××× Now, please bring me Qur’ânic sources only which show that people of the book have actually corrupted the texts themselves! ×××

Well im sure you have read the Quran, and the Quran claims to be the truth.
Logically, if events differ in the other religious scriptures, it makes them false based on the Quran. E.g. Isaac & Ishmael sacrifice.
But because the Quran says in numerous verses, that the Torah and the Gospel was the truth, they must of been corrupted.
That is the conclusion.

I’ve QUOTED the Qur’ân to you, and it clearly says that people corrupted the interpretation, the context of their Scriptures. It says NOTHING about the Scriptures themselves being corrupt.

[Murad]

I’ve QUOTED the Qur’ân to you, and it clearly says that people corrupted the interpretation, the context of their Scriptures. It says NOTHING about the Scriptures themselves being corrupt.

Pazuzu its nothing but Logic.

If the variable X is the truth, then the variable Y cannot be the truth.

If the Quran is the truth and it was Ishmael that was sacrificed, the Torah cannot be the truth where Isaac was sacrificed.

But the Quran tells us the Torah was sent as the truth. Meaning originally it also had the exact same events in the Quran, but the conclusion is that it was later changed. That is the logical conclusion from the Islamic perspective.

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

If the variable X is the truth, then the variable Y cannot be the truth.

X = Light is a Particle.
Y= Light is a Wave.

Are you saying those both can’t be true?

If the Quran is the truth and it was Ishmael that was sacrificed, the Torah cannot be the truth where Isaac was sacrificed.

But the Quran tells us the Torah was sent as the truth. Meaning originally it also had the exact same events in the Quran, but the conclusion is that it was later changed. That is the logical conclusion from the Islamic perspective.

Hence its fallibility — because I have quoted to you, and given the exact surah and ayat, the Qur’ân saying that only the interpretation was corrupted, not the texts themselves.

Perhaps it seems less bizarre if we consider that Muhammad authored the Qur’ân, and basically DIDN’T KNOW that Ishâq (Isaac) was to be sacrificed?

[Murad]

X = Light is a Particle.
Y= Light is a Wave.

Are you saying those both can’t be true?

X= Truth
Y= False

Hence its fallibility — because I have quoted to you, and given the exact surah and ayat, the Qur’ân saying that only the interpretation was corrupted, not the texts themselves.

There is no saying that it was copied from the original source based on 'translation', there are numerous possibilities on how it changed from its original state.

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

X = Light is a Particle.
Y= Light is a Wave.

Are you saying those both can’t be true?

X= Truth
Y= False

Actually, both are true.

[Murad]

Actually, both are true.

Well i wasnt talking about light theory.

Its not a very Good comparison to prove a point, religion with physics.

[Goat]

I’ve QUOTED the Qur’ân to you, and it clearly says that people corrupted the interpretation, the context of their Scriptures. It says NOTHING about the Scriptures themselves being corrupt.

Pazuzu its nothing but Logic.

If the variable X is the truth, then the variable Y cannot be the truth.

If the Quran is the truth and it was Ishmael that was sacrificed, the Torah cannot be the truth where Isaac was sacrificed.

Or, it could just be a story, and the story in the Quran was changed as a huge 'finger' to the Jewish people. Since the story in the Quran was written down well after 1000 years after the story about Abraham and Issac was written down, that seems to be a much more likely



But the Quran tells us the Torah was sent as the truth. Meaning originally it also had the exact same events in the Quran, but the conclusion is that it was later changed. That is the logical conclusion from the Islamic perspective.[/quote]

[Murad]

Or, it could just be a story, and the story in the Quran was changed as a huge 'finger' to the Jewish people.

Since the story in the Quran was written down well after 1000 years after the story about Abraham and Issac was written down, that seems to be a much more likely

Well the Quran gives us the conclusion that the original Torah was changed from its original state and thus the reason it differs in some events.
Allah never claimed that the bible is fully and 100% Divine. Islam is a witness on the Bible. It filters out the truth from falsehood and corruption in the Bible. The Quran only recognizes the Bible as a history book with errors and man's alteration in it.

The bible tells us:

"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

Also Pazuzu i think you missed this verse:

5:13: "But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews and Christians) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others)."

"they altered the words from their places" means they changed Ishmael with Isaac.

[Goat]

Or, it could just be a story, and the story in the Quran was changed as a huge 'finger' to the Jewish people.

Since the story in the Quran was written down well after 1000 years after the story about Abraham and Issac was written down, that seems to be a much more likely

Well the Quran gives us the conclusion that the original Torah was changed from its original state and thus the reason it differs in some events.
Allah never claimed that the bible is fully and 100% Divine. Islam is a witness on the Bible. It filters out the truth from falsehood and corruption in the Bible. The Quran only recognizes the Bible as a history book with errors and man's alteration in it.

Well, since you are using the Koran to assume the Torah story was changed, and it would just get into a 'spitting match' about 'My book says' blah blah blah, what evidence do you have that is external to both the Torah and the Koran that the Torah story was changed? I would think this source would have to be old enough so that it would not be influenced by the Koran...

The bible tells us:

"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

And do you know what that says in CONTEXT??? I bet you don't.