Why do you believe in Creationism or Evolution?
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Why do you believe in Creationism or Evolution?
Post #1so why do u believe in evolution or creationism???
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Mightor not "believe" in evolution. That like saying Mightor "believe" in gravity. Mightor say evolution is wether puny humans "believe" it or not. Mightor say disbelief in gravity not make Mightor float away from ground, so disbelief in evolution not stop natural selection.
Why I believe.
Post #22Greetings,
I have had a number of personal experiences, which require that there be a Supreme Being running the universe, creating everything in the universe, and actively interacting with each human in every activity of every day. That is why I believe.
One example. Several times in my life, a person acted out of character; acted in a manner to create a situation which turned out to be quite valuable to me. You could call each one a coincidence, but if you were aware of the details of each experience, you couldn't be rational and call them coincidences.
Another example. I'm trained as a physician, and I use homeopathic remedies. The dose I give in each case has been processed in a way, that not a single moleclue of the original substance can be left (dilutions of 1: 100 done from 2,000 up to 100,000 times). And yet each time I give the correct remedy, a major change takes place in the ill person's personality as that person gets better. The phenomenon of homeopathy is impossible to occur if evolution is how we arrived here. Homeopathy can only be rationally explained through each human having a spiritual component, and there being a Supreme Being who runs the show.
Take care
I have had a number of personal experiences, which require that there be a Supreme Being running the universe, creating everything in the universe, and actively interacting with each human in every activity of every day. That is why I believe.
One example. Several times in my life, a person acted out of character; acted in a manner to create a situation which turned out to be quite valuable to me. You could call each one a coincidence, but if you were aware of the details of each experience, you couldn't be rational and call them coincidences.
Another example. I'm trained as a physician, and I use homeopathic remedies. The dose I give in each case has been processed in a way, that not a single moleclue of the original substance can be left (dilutions of 1: 100 done from 2,000 up to 100,000 times). And yet each time I give the correct remedy, a major change takes place in the ill person's personality as that person gets better. The phenomenon of homeopathy is impossible to occur if evolution is how we arrived here. Homeopathy can only be rationally explained through each human having a spiritual component, and there being a Supreme Being who runs the show.
Take care
Re: Why I believe.
Post #23Try me, name one.Warren wrote:Greetings,
I have had a number of personal experiences, which require that there be a Supreme Being running the universe, creating everything in the universe, and actively interacting with each human in every activity of every day. That is why I believe.
One example. Several times in my life, a person acted out of character; acted in a manner to create a situation which turned out to be quite valuable to me. You could call each one a coincidence, but if you were aware of the details of each experience, you couldn't be rational and call them coincidences.
No, homeopathy can be rationally explained as a textbook case of placebo effect.Another example. I'm trained as a physician, and I use homeopathic remedies. The dose I give in each case has been processed in a way, that not a single moleclue of the original substance can be left (dilutions of 1: 100 done from 2,000 up to 100,000 times). And yet each time I give the correct remedy, a major change takes place in the ill person's personality as that person gets better. The phenomenon of homeopathy is impossible to occur if evolution is how we arrived here. Homeopathy can only be rationally explained through each human having a spiritual component, and there being a Supreme Being who runs the show.
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This is for enigma,
Here's one. I had a scholarship in medical school, from the Federal Government. It required me giving time after I was trained as a physician, or paying money. I reported for duty mid-cycle, in October, when almost all appointments are made to start July 1 of each year. The Dept. of HEW's regulations required that all people who come in mid-cycle must be sent to the places of highest priority; which always was, because of physician dislike of the environment, Indian reservations and the Federal prisons. The woman I spoke to, we'll call her Ms X, asked me if I wanted to choose from four sites in the New York City region; none Indian reservation, and none a Federal prison; that had come available since the previous July. I said yes. That turned out to be a fantastic opportunity for me. I had lunch with Ms X's secretry after my meeting with Ms X was over. The secretary was aware of what Ms X had offered me. And she told me that in close to ten years of working with Ms X, she had never once seen Ms X act in violation of goverment regulations. That Mx X was known around that office as very strick in following regulations. It is irrational to call that a coincidence. It is quite understandable, if you accept God, the Supreme Being, runs everything on the earth. I have more if that's not sufficient.
You make the following statement.
No, homeopathy can be rationally explained as a textbook case of placebo effect.
This statement shows your misimpression regarding the placebo effect. First of all, the placebo effect relates solely to specific unpleasant physical sensations, or specific emotional sensations. I have never encountered a study where a placebo produced a major personality change.
Two, the placebo effect only and ever lasts for a short time. Never for more than a few hours; possibly occasionally a few days. The personality changes that occur with competent homeopathic persecribing are major, are permanent, and are accompanied by discarding a previously strongly held set of beliefs. No one who has ever conducted a placebo study has ever observed placebos performing as such.
You like examples. Here's one. Susan is forty years old. She has always been attracted to men who looked, as she described it, "hot". Meaning great physique, great looks, and ideally lots of money. She receives several doses of Ignatia over a period of months. And now reports that she can see that all "hot" men are irresponsible liars, and she is now looking for a man who has integrity, and has works that fulfills him. No one who gives a placebe has ever reported that type of change in a person.
Take care
Here's one. I had a scholarship in medical school, from the Federal Government. It required me giving time after I was trained as a physician, or paying money. I reported for duty mid-cycle, in October, when almost all appointments are made to start July 1 of each year. The Dept. of HEW's regulations required that all people who come in mid-cycle must be sent to the places of highest priority; which always was, because of physician dislike of the environment, Indian reservations and the Federal prisons. The woman I spoke to, we'll call her Ms X, asked me if I wanted to choose from four sites in the New York City region; none Indian reservation, and none a Federal prison; that had come available since the previous July. I said yes. That turned out to be a fantastic opportunity for me. I had lunch with Ms X's secretry after my meeting with Ms X was over. The secretary was aware of what Ms X had offered me. And she told me that in close to ten years of working with Ms X, she had never once seen Ms X act in violation of goverment regulations. That Mx X was known around that office as very strick in following regulations. It is irrational to call that a coincidence. It is quite understandable, if you accept God, the Supreme Being, runs everything on the earth. I have more if that's not sufficient.
You make the following statement.
No, homeopathy can be rationally explained as a textbook case of placebo effect.
This statement shows your misimpression regarding the placebo effect. First of all, the placebo effect relates solely to specific unpleasant physical sensations, or specific emotional sensations. I have never encountered a study where a placebo produced a major personality change.
Two, the placebo effect only and ever lasts for a short time. Never for more than a few hours; possibly occasionally a few days. The personality changes that occur with competent homeopathic persecribing are major, are permanent, and are accompanied by discarding a previously strongly held set of beliefs. No one who has ever conducted a placebo study has ever observed placebos performing as such.
You like examples. Here's one. Susan is forty years old. She has always been attracted to men who looked, as she described it, "hot". Meaning great physique, great looks, and ideally lots of money. She receives several doses of Ignatia over a period of months. And now reports that she can see that all "hot" men are irresponsible liars, and she is now looking for a man who has integrity, and has works that fulfills him. No one who gives a placebe has ever reported that type of change in a person.
Take care
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Then you don't believe in free will? That's essentially what happened, is it not? God made a person go against their nature in order to help you land a pleasant job? God has remarkable priorities.Warren wrote:This is for enigma,
Here's one. I had a scholarship in medical school, from the Federal Government. It required me giving time after I was trained as a physician, or paying money. I reported for duty mid-cycle, in October, when almost all appointments are made to start July 1 of each year. The Dept. of HEW's regulations required that all people who come in mid-cycle must be sent to the places of highest priority; which always was, because of physician dislike of the environment, Indian reservations and the Federal prisons. The woman I spoke to, we'll call her Ms X, asked me if I wanted to choose from four sites in the New York City region; none Indian reservation, and none a Federal prison; that had come available since the previous July. I said yes. That turned out to be a fantastic opportunity for me. I had lunch with Ms X's secretry after my meeting with Ms X was over. The secretary was aware of what Ms X had offered me. And she told me that in close to ten years of working with Ms X, she had never once seen Ms X act in violation of goverment regulations. That Mx X was known around that office as very strick in following regulations. It is irrational to call that a coincidence. It is quite understandable, if you accept God, the Supreme Being, runs everything on the earth. I have more if that's not sufficient.
People do change and go through epiphanies. Did she happen to tell you what led up to this revelation?You like examples. Here's one. Susan is forty years old. She has always been attracted to men who looked, as she described it, "hot". Meaning great physique, great looks, and ideally lots of money. She receives several doses of Ignatia over a period of months. And now reports that she can see that all "hot" men are irresponsible liars, and she is now looking for a man who has integrity, and has works that fulfills him. No one who gives a placebe has ever reported that type of change in a person.
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Post #26
I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, because His words, Gods words are the only words that have ever penetrated my sole in any doctrine of any kind. I believe if we searched for God just 5% of the time we used to research all the other non-God theories including the evolution theory, we would all be Christians.
As they say, "there are no atheist in a fox hole". We all cry out for the "Lord" (even if we don't know him) when we are in deep trouble. What is it that we are saying when we do this. I believe we say, I thought I can handle it but I am not god, but you are and I know you are real and you can help me. Meditate on why we cry out to God in impossible situations, it is very enlightening and wonderful.
God created us with a hole in our soles, a missing link that a lot of us choose to ignore or replace with something else which never quite fits. ( I don't blame you, I've been there, this world can turn any man's sole black as coal) But we choose to tough it out through our lives trying fervently to fill it until that moment of trouble or that moment of death when we cry out for it to be filled. We then cry out for that God that we know exists and is the only living being that can save us.
Evolution like physical death has become reality in our lives. Physical death without a doubt is real, evolution on the other hand is so full of holes, it's basically become an emotion rather than a reality. Even if you choose to believe in evolution, does it give you that peace you were looking for? Do you feel like celebrating. Great let's celebrate the following. We are all alone in this universe without a clue. Because it somehow started without any motivation by anyone including God. Therefore, since we are the highest "evolved" creatures we know of, we must then take the responsibility of a god. We are our own gods but don't have godly power. We have to make out own decisions. This should really scare us all, in fact the reason why the world is the way it is now is because through our enormous pride we have elected ourselves as gods. Pride is the worst killer of mankind, it destroys everything it touches. Do you think if every living man on Earth humbled himself to the Lord, the world would be such as it is? And let's take this one step back. Do you think that if there was no notion of a God at all, the world would be a better world or worse? Meditate on this, no quick answers please.
There is a distinct difference between humans and the rest of the creatures on this Earth. We have the ability to go against nature. This is new and like no other creature ever known. This is a gigantic step in "evolutionary history" We have a will. To have a will is to have more than just a sole and body. There must be something in us that allows for this will, other then flesh, water, and bones. The Bible calls it our spirit. Our eternal spirit gives us ability to choose against the laws of nature. We have the ability to humble ourselves when nature calls for a reaction. If someone steals something from us, we have the ability to have compassion towards the thief and just let it go. We have the will to commit suicide (I have never seen a chimp jump from a tall tree). We have the will to have compassion towards other animals. We have the ability to know that there is a Creator. We have the ability to pray rather than take revenge. We have the ability to give our last bit of food, rather than keep it for ourselves. In the evolutionary theory, we are doomed. The most evolved creature on earth is acting counter-evolutionary. At the same time, we are fighting with all our will to become just like the animals. We are trying our best to become evolutionary. My argument though brief says that it is impossible for us to fit the evolution theory. We just can't be part of it.
We are either a big evolutionary goof-up whom are doomed to extinction and then once again there will be a peaceful balance on earth with creatures without a spirit, or there is God whom created us in Their own image and therefore the rest of the Bible is perfectly true.
Which is more real to you? Let's just say that evolution was backed up without holes in it. Well, the problem then is that the chance of life coming from nothing to this point on earth (even if this was possible) is less than the chance of a tornado ripping through a dump and building an F-15 fighter plane. On top of this, evolution is so full of holes, "you've got to be kidding" is what comes to my mind and I know that deep inside that spirit of yours, you feel the same way.
It is really a peaceful life He gives you. Jesus (God with us) said,
“Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Chasing the thoughts and theories of man will lead you to despair here on earth and for eternity. Chasing after the thoughts of the God that loves you, that created you and knows of every hair on your head will release you. Man provides for confusion and anxiety. God provides you with love, understanding and peace. He loves you like no love you have ever encountered or will encounter. God didn't create robots to constantly praise Him. He gave you a spirit and a will to choose Him or not. Pride the killer is killing you. Humble yourself (it's not so hard, it's a relief, and a wonderful release and revelation). Choose wisely please, because He, the One who made you is knocking on the door and waiting with open loving arms.
In Christ,
Tom
As they say, "there are no atheist in a fox hole". We all cry out for the "Lord" (even if we don't know him) when we are in deep trouble. What is it that we are saying when we do this. I believe we say, I thought I can handle it but I am not god, but you are and I know you are real and you can help me. Meditate on why we cry out to God in impossible situations, it is very enlightening and wonderful.
God created us with a hole in our soles, a missing link that a lot of us choose to ignore or replace with something else which never quite fits. ( I don't blame you, I've been there, this world can turn any man's sole black as coal) But we choose to tough it out through our lives trying fervently to fill it until that moment of trouble or that moment of death when we cry out for it to be filled. We then cry out for that God that we know exists and is the only living being that can save us.
Evolution like physical death has become reality in our lives. Physical death without a doubt is real, evolution on the other hand is so full of holes, it's basically become an emotion rather than a reality. Even if you choose to believe in evolution, does it give you that peace you were looking for? Do you feel like celebrating. Great let's celebrate the following. We are all alone in this universe without a clue. Because it somehow started without any motivation by anyone including God. Therefore, since we are the highest "evolved" creatures we know of, we must then take the responsibility of a god. We are our own gods but don't have godly power. We have to make out own decisions. This should really scare us all, in fact the reason why the world is the way it is now is because through our enormous pride we have elected ourselves as gods. Pride is the worst killer of mankind, it destroys everything it touches. Do you think if every living man on Earth humbled himself to the Lord, the world would be such as it is? And let's take this one step back. Do you think that if there was no notion of a God at all, the world would be a better world or worse? Meditate on this, no quick answers please.
There is a distinct difference between humans and the rest of the creatures on this Earth. We have the ability to go against nature. This is new and like no other creature ever known. This is a gigantic step in "evolutionary history" We have a will. To have a will is to have more than just a sole and body. There must be something in us that allows for this will, other then flesh, water, and bones. The Bible calls it our spirit. Our eternal spirit gives us ability to choose against the laws of nature. We have the ability to humble ourselves when nature calls for a reaction. If someone steals something from us, we have the ability to have compassion towards the thief and just let it go. We have the will to commit suicide (I have never seen a chimp jump from a tall tree). We have the will to have compassion towards other animals. We have the ability to know that there is a Creator. We have the ability to pray rather than take revenge. We have the ability to give our last bit of food, rather than keep it for ourselves. In the evolutionary theory, we are doomed. The most evolved creature on earth is acting counter-evolutionary. At the same time, we are fighting with all our will to become just like the animals. We are trying our best to become evolutionary. My argument though brief says that it is impossible for us to fit the evolution theory. We just can't be part of it.
We are either a big evolutionary goof-up whom are doomed to extinction and then once again there will be a peaceful balance on earth with creatures without a spirit, or there is God whom created us in Their own image and therefore the rest of the Bible is perfectly true.
Which is more real to you? Let's just say that evolution was backed up without holes in it. Well, the problem then is that the chance of life coming from nothing to this point on earth (even if this was possible) is less than the chance of a tornado ripping through a dump and building an F-15 fighter plane. On top of this, evolution is so full of holes, "you've got to be kidding" is what comes to my mind and I know that deep inside that spirit of yours, you feel the same way.
It is really a peaceful life He gives you. Jesus (God with us) said,
“Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Chasing the thoughts and theories of man will lead you to despair here on earth and for eternity. Chasing after the thoughts of the God that loves you, that created you and knows of every hair on your head will release you. Man provides for confusion and anxiety. God provides you with love, understanding and peace. He loves you like no love you have ever encountered or will encounter. God didn't create robots to constantly praise Him. He gave you a spirit and a will to choose Him or not. Pride the killer is killing you. Humble yourself (it's not so hard, it's a relief, and a wonderful release and revelation). Choose wisely please, because He, the One who made you is knocking on the door and waiting with open loving arms.
In Christ,
Tom
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So Tom....... you're basically saying you believe in Creationism because believing in God makes you feel better?
#1 - Evolution by natural selection is a pretty airtight theory, but we can debate that later.
#2 - "emotion rather than a reality." I don't see what you mean by this. Actually, it seems like you are treating evolution as an emotional issue by trying to see if evolution fills this perceived emotional and spiritual need you have. I, on the other hand, treat evolution via natural selection as a question of mechanism and process. Did things come about the way that we say it came about? Emotional or spiritual needs don't come into play at all.
#3 - "Even if you choose to believe in evolution, does it give you that peace you were looking for?"
Well no, evolution doesn't give me "that peace [I'm] looking for" ... and you know what? Neither does creationism. If you read what you've written closely you'll find that you haven't made the case that Creationism -- broadly defined as believing that the world was made by a creator God or other deity (there are Hindu and Vedic creationists too) -- gives you the peace you're looking for.
You're actually arguing that believing in Jesus gives you the peace you're looking for. And believing in Jesus is not the same as Creationism.
I take issue with a couple of things here:Tom wrote:evolution on the other hand is so full of holes, it's basically become an emotion rather than a reality. Even if you choose to believe in evolution, does it give you that peace you were looking for?
#1 - Evolution by natural selection is a pretty airtight theory, but we can debate that later.
#2 - "emotion rather than a reality." I don't see what you mean by this. Actually, it seems like you are treating evolution as an emotional issue by trying to see if evolution fills this perceived emotional and spiritual need you have. I, on the other hand, treat evolution via natural selection as a question of mechanism and process. Did things come about the way that we say it came about? Emotional or spiritual needs don't come into play at all.
#3 - "Even if you choose to believe in evolution, does it give you that peace you were looking for?"
Well no, evolution doesn't give me "that peace [I'm] looking for" ... and you know what? Neither does creationism. If you read what you've written closely you'll find that you haven't made the case that Creationism -- broadly defined as believing that the world was made by a creator God or other deity (there are Hindu and Vedic creationists too) -- gives you the peace you're looking for.
You're actually arguing that believing in Jesus gives you the peace you're looking for. And believing in Jesus is not the same as Creationism.
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We are debating Common descent right now. Please show us how it is a "pretty airtight theory".fried beef sandwich wrote: #1 - Evolution by natural selection is a pretty airtight theory, but we can debate that later.
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Yeah, I've been following that thread. Didymus and Oolon are doing an incredible job there. I'm prepping a post actually re: objective tests that demonstrate relationships between proteins and hence ancestry, etc that I hope to get to sometime tonight.
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Post #30Greetings,
1. Response to Corbus.
You wrote:
Then you don't believe in free will? That's essentially what happened, is it not? God made a person go against their nature in order to help you land a pleasant job? God has remarkable priorities.
First free will. The majority of humans, since the origins of human history, have been rationalists: each believes she can, unless opposed by more powerful forces, control her individual destinies; each believes he can think and then act. A minority of humans, now and throughout history, have been empiricists: each believes that, in each activity, she does the activity without having a say, and then after the activity is over thinks about the activity; acts and then thinks. Empiricists believe that God runs the universe and determines how their activities turn out, and all personal development comes from accurate observation, none comes from active choice.
From the empirical perspective, humans have free will, but only to accurately observe all that they are exposed to or to invent preferred fantasies and focus on them, never to take a specific action. From that perspective, God regularly causes people to act in a certain manner, which is out of character for that person's typical personality. All such situations are designed to benefit everyone involved. No such situation is designed to limit one of the participants.
In addition, the benefit to me was not that I landed a pleasant job. But that that job lead to a multitude of life changing situations.
You further wrote:
People do change and go through epiphanies. Did she happen to tell you what led up to this revelation?
A dictionary definition of an epiphany allows a person to claim to have one, yet it is just a new concept; it never leads to a changed personality that permanently remains. Again, all changed personalities initially arrive with an epiphany. So the real issue is not whether an epiphany appeared. But what happened with that epiphany. In case of Susan, the epiphany arrived one day after several doses of homeopathic remedy. If this happened only once, it would be illogical to claim it was due to a homeopathic remedy. When it happens every time a person receives a correct homeopathic remedy, it is illogical to deny the homeopathic remedy : change in personality causal relationship.
To Tom,
I appreciate the sentiment of your thoughts. But I will suggest to you, that no one ever has a genuine conversion out of seeking God because of having an apparent unsolvable problem. Many such conversions occur. But they never lead to a person progressively developing a Christlike personality. Hence they were "intellectually sincere", but in reality contrived. A genuine conversion only occurs out of a person seeking to have consistent success and reward in one's life, and having one's successes reveal, in an unavoidable manner, that a Supreme Being runs the entire universe. And then that person seeking an explanation for that awareness, and eventually discovering that New Testament transformational Christianity is the only philosophy in the world that explains that person's collective life experiences.
I also have to accept Fried beef...'s claim that your view Tom doesn't provide a sine qua non case for creationism. A sine qua non case for either Creationism or physical evolution will require specific tangible earthly events which can only be logically explained by either one of those theories. And having written that, I would echo Otseng's request of Fried Beef... I would appreciate evidence of Natural Selection's airtight case.
Unless science has release new information in the past hour or so, it needs to be noticed that not once has a single human being ever found a transition between one species and another. I find it absurd, that people believe in a theory for which there is not a single collaborating piece of evidence.
Take care,
Warren
1. Response to Corbus.
You wrote:
Then you don't believe in free will? That's essentially what happened, is it not? God made a person go against their nature in order to help you land a pleasant job? God has remarkable priorities.
First free will. The majority of humans, since the origins of human history, have been rationalists: each believes she can, unless opposed by more powerful forces, control her individual destinies; each believes he can think and then act. A minority of humans, now and throughout history, have been empiricists: each believes that, in each activity, she does the activity without having a say, and then after the activity is over thinks about the activity; acts and then thinks. Empiricists believe that God runs the universe and determines how their activities turn out, and all personal development comes from accurate observation, none comes from active choice.
From the empirical perspective, humans have free will, but only to accurately observe all that they are exposed to or to invent preferred fantasies and focus on them, never to take a specific action. From that perspective, God regularly causes people to act in a certain manner, which is out of character for that person's typical personality. All such situations are designed to benefit everyone involved. No such situation is designed to limit one of the participants.
In addition, the benefit to me was not that I landed a pleasant job. But that that job lead to a multitude of life changing situations.
You further wrote:
People do change and go through epiphanies. Did she happen to tell you what led up to this revelation?
A dictionary definition of an epiphany allows a person to claim to have one, yet it is just a new concept; it never leads to a changed personality that permanently remains. Again, all changed personalities initially arrive with an epiphany. So the real issue is not whether an epiphany appeared. But what happened with that epiphany. In case of Susan, the epiphany arrived one day after several doses of homeopathic remedy. If this happened only once, it would be illogical to claim it was due to a homeopathic remedy. When it happens every time a person receives a correct homeopathic remedy, it is illogical to deny the homeopathic remedy : change in personality causal relationship.
To Tom,
I appreciate the sentiment of your thoughts. But I will suggest to you, that no one ever has a genuine conversion out of seeking God because of having an apparent unsolvable problem. Many such conversions occur. But they never lead to a person progressively developing a Christlike personality. Hence they were "intellectually sincere", but in reality contrived. A genuine conversion only occurs out of a person seeking to have consistent success and reward in one's life, and having one's successes reveal, in an unavoidable manner, that a Supreme Being runs the entire universe. And then that person seeking an explanation for that awareness, and eventually discovering that New Testament transformational Christianity is the only philosophy in the world that explains that person's collective life experiences.
I also have to accept Fried beef...'s claim that your view Tom doesn't provide a sine qua non case for creationism. A sine qua non case for either Creationism or physical evolution will require specific tangible earthly events which can only be logically explained by either one of those theories. And having written that, I would echo Otseng's request of Fried Beef... I would appreciate evidence of Natural Selection's airtight case.
Unless science has release new information in the past hour or so, it needs to be noticed that not once has a single human being ever found a transition between one species and another. I find it absurd, that people believe in a theory for which there is not a single collaborating piece of evidence.
Take care,
Warren
