Israel a pariah nation

[Misty]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 195838.stm

It is a great pity Israel was ever permitted to create their own nation without the same privilege being granted to the Palestinians. If the US hadn't supported them over the years maybe they would be so militant. I don't support violence from either side, but Israel seems to be the aggressor in most conflicts.

[JoeyKnothead]

From the OP:

It is a great pity Israel was ever permitted to create their own nation without the same privilege being granted to the Palestinians.

The Palestinians are perfectly free to establish their own nation, with the exception of establishing it at the cost of Israel. That no other Arab nation is willing to cede territory for this to happen should not be blamed on a group the Palestinians have avowed to remove from the face of the earth.

If the US hadn't supported them over the years maybe they would [wouldn't] be so militant.

Yeah, it could not possibly be that whole history of entire continents trying to kill Jews.

I don't support violence from either side, but Israel seems to be the aggressor in most conflicts.

"Seems to be" and "is" are two different things. I fully support my and Israel's right to defense, even if such means actively engaging one's enemies before they strike.

I've mentioned it before, but it bears repeating... I do think Israel has previously acted with a "heavy hand", but consider such in light of Jewish history. When you have a reasonable notion that so many, so many others seek your destruction, I find it quite rational to conclude such a "heavy hand" may be the only thing saving you.

[Misty]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

[JoeyKnothead]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

I'm gonna swear up down that means I've put up a good argument, even if you may ultimately reject it.

[WinePusher]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 195838.stm

It is a great pity Israel was ever permitted to create their own nation without the same privilege being granted to the Palestinians. If the US hadn't supported them over the years maybe they would be so militant. I don't support violence from either side, but Israel seems to be the aggressor in most conflicts.

Misty, Israel has a right to survive.

Are you upset that the U.S supports the growth of democracy and freedom throughout the world? The middle east is dominated and terrorized by the Islamic nation of Iran and there holocaust denying leader, Iraq was formerly headed by a tyrannical dictator and the middle east is a home to Radical terrorists.

Israel is the only current Pro Western, Pro Freedom, Pro Democracy state in the middle east and because of that, the Islamic radicals want them "wiped from the face of the earth."

[Misty]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 195838.stm

It is a great pity Israel was ever permitted to create their own nation without the same privilege being granted to the Palestinians. If the US hadn't supported them over the years maybe they would be so militant. I don't support violence from either side, but Israel seems to be the aggressor in most conflicts.

Misty, Israel has a right to survive.

Are you upset that the U.S supports the growth of democracy and freedom throughout the world? The middle east is dominated and terrorized by the Islamic nation of Iran and there holocaust denying leader, Iraq was formerly headed by a tyrannical dictator and the middle east is a home to Radical terrorists.

Israel is the only current Pro Western, Pro Freedom, Pro Democracy state in the middle east and because of that, the Islamic radicals want them "wiped from the face of the earth."

[Misty]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 195838.stm

It is a great pity Israel was ever permitted to create their own nation without the same privilege being granted to the Palestinians. If the US hadn't supported them over the years maybe they would be so militant. I don't support violence from either side, but Israel seems to be the aggressor in most conflicts.

Misty, Israel has a right to survive.

Are you upset that the U.S supports the growth of democracy and freedom throughout the world? The middle east is dominated and terrorized by the Islamic nation of Iran and there holocaust denying leader, Iraq was formerly headed by a tyrannical dictator and the middle east is a home to Radical terrorists.

Israel is the only current Pro Western, Pro Freedom, Pro Democracy state in the middle east and because of that, the Islamic radicals want them "wiped from the face of the earth."

The US supports what it is in its interests to support as it always has done! Thankfully Obama isn't quite so pro-Israel as the idiot Bush and might mark their card for them. Israel is behaving like a bully where Gaza is concerned, the people are starving and lack proper medical attention because of the blockade.

Under Bush the US was becoming not only a laughstock but a threat to world peace. Obama is a much better president and hopefully he can keep the Christian right-wing nutters under their stones. Some of them would like nothing better than to stir up their version of Armegeddon in Middle East!

[WinePusher]

The US supports what it is in its interests to support as it always has done!

Please give me a country that doesn't do the same.

Thankfully Obama isn't quite so pro-Israel as the idiot Bush and might mark their card for them.

Yes, Obama isn't pro israel, he is alienating our allies and sacrificing our sovergnity

What qualifies you to call bush an idiot. Are you an expert on American Politics? Have you done an in-depth study into the pros and cons of the Bush Administration?

Israel is behaving like a bully where Gaza is concerned, the people are starving and lack proper medical attention because of the blockade.

From Gaza the palestinians launch rockets into Israel. Israel has the RIGHT TO SURVIVE. Just because you may sympathize more with the radicals doesn't mean Israel can't defend itself. Now, what evidence is there to show that Israel is not providing basic humanitarian rights to the citizens of Gaza? Has the UN Declared Israel's blockade to be in-humane?

Under Bush the US was becoming not only a laughstock but a threat to world peace.

Yes, it was Bush who threatened World Peace. CAN YOU PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE FOR THIS MISTY. People on here will not accept a claim without sufficent evidence to back it up. So, PROVIDE SOME SOURCES THAT SHOW BUSH WAS THREATENING WORLD PEACE OR RETRACT THAT CLAIM.

Obama is a much better president and hopefully he can keep the Christian right-wing nutters under their stones.

Of Course you europeans like Obama, he went on an apology tour across the world and called America Arrogant. Of course you think Obama is a better president, he doesn't promote American Exceptionalism.

Npw, unfortunatly America hasn't gone the way of socialist Europe, and that must upset you. The fact that Americans work hard for a living and don't get government checks every month must enrage you. Especially those right wing christian nutters. Tell me, what about those left wing secular nutters. The ones that protest the Global summitts, do you not have a problem with them Misty? Are you being hypocritical on this matter, because if you condemn political extremism, you must surely condemn it on both sides of the aisle.

Some of them would like nothing better than to stir up their version of Armegeddon in Middle East!

Guess what, there is a crazy dictator ruling Iran who is near to achieving a nuclear weapon. Do you know who is permitting him to do this, you saint Obama. Do you know whta a nuclear iran will be capable of, destroying Israel, as they said they would do.

Would that not start an "Armegeddon" in the Middle East?

Or is it just Israel, who is defending itself from being bombed by rockets, that will cause the Armegeddon.

[ChaosBorders]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 195838.stm

It is a great pity Israel was ever permitted to create their own nation without the same privilege being granted to the Palestinians. If the US hadn't supported them over the years maybe they would be so militant. I don't support violence from either side, but Israel seems to be the aggressor in most conflicts.

Though I largely agree with you, is there a debatable question in here that I'm missing, Misty?

[MagusYanam]

Israel is the only current Pro Western, Pro Freedom, Pro Democracy state in the middle east

Nowhere even close. Though I agree it has a right to exist and to defend itself from attack, nowadays Israel (sad to say) spends a good deal of its energy thumbing its nose at its fellow democratic nations in the West. As for other nations in the Middle East, try Turkey under Erdogan - on occasion, they actually pretend to give a damn what the rest of the free Western democratic nations think.

Npw, unfortunatly America hasn't gone the way of socialist Europe, and that must upset you.

Given the way you use 'socialist' as an epithet merely to describe people and entities you don't like, might we assume therefore that your own opinions of the West, of freedom and of democracy are as dim as, say, Hamas's?