The armed Christian

[Pastor4Jesus]

DISCLAIMER; THIS THREAD ADDRESSES THE HIGHLY RADICALIZED AND MILITRIZED ISLAMIC TERRORIST. I DENOUNCE ALL TERRORIST ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING THOSE THAT CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIAN. I HAVE NO BIAS AGAINST ANY RELIGION OR ATHEIST BELIEFS. I PERSONALLY LOVE MY PEACEFUL MUSLIM BROTHERS AND SISTERS, AND PRAY THAT THEY PRACTICE THE RELIGION IN A NORMAL NON-RADICALIZED AND REJECT THE RADICAL FALSE PROPHETS.



I think all Christians should be armed where legal and if its not legal those Christians should diligently work to change policy to make it legal. I would suggest that all Christians have several weapons which would include a battle rifle and a pistol then a back up of each with at least a thousand rounds of ammo for each. Also provisions should be stored for a month or more.

Why do I say this? Self defense. There is a radical element in Islam that is intent of destroying the United States, Israel, and what she stands for (the perceived Christian West and values). Of course I am speaking of the highly radicalized/Militized Muslim element. With lets talk about it Obama in office I predict a major terrorist attack on the USA or the west before he leaves office.

As the Islamic terrorists demonstrated they would use any weapon from a box cutter to a AK-47 to explosives to airliners filled with fuel to kill citizens of the west. Their MO in areas where they have free reign is to support coups and takeovers. Considering those facts, I don't think its too conspiracy theorist extreme to envision well funded terrorists attempting to take over a small town or part of a city. Maybe if the terrorists know that a particular group of citizens may be heavily armed, maybe they will pick on someone else. Going armed would send a message to radical Islam and more importantly if all Christians would go armed it would serve a practical purpose if terrorists decide to make an example out of your town.



P4JC

[FinalEnigma]

The majority of times when a weapon is used for self defense, it isn't even fired. The sight of it often stops a criminal. I hope I never would have to shoot another human being. To me that would only be justified if my or my families lives were in danger. Property can be replaced, people can't.

I think it is within rule 5 to say that I agree completely.

I agree as well, and my agreement comes from personal experience. I have gone armed for more than ten years, and I have never fired my weapon in earnest; even so, it has ended three (3) potentially deadly situations by its mere presence. One was a home invasion, which ended abruptly when the invaders discovered that I was armed; one an attempted mugging which ended the same way; and the third was a deranged (literally, as in later institutionalized) former friend who was on the record as saying repeatedly that he would have murdered me and my wife except for the fact that he knew I always carried a weapon.

There is absolutely no way in Hell or Heaven that I will give up my weapon; there is absolutely no way that anyone would be safer or more secure if I did. Quite the opposite, in fact.

By the way; in those ten years, very few people - only those closest to me - have been aware that I go armed. I keep that to myself. The only time my gun comes out of my pocket is when I am about to fire it, and when I undress at night. More people on this forum know about this than in my "real life." It's not about ego or "macho," it's about being prepared for violence in a violent world, and about staying alive.

of course, and this is the type of gun owner I approve of.

I just don't approve of young yahoos with guns. or attitudes that promote unsafe behavior with guns.

[DeBunkem]

Since this is a debate forum, I'll ask you to back that up. The more people who have gotten concealed carry licenses, the less crime there is with very few abusing that right. In FL there were 165 permits for misuse revolked out of almost 2,000,000 issued.

The fact is, anyone who shoots first (without justification) and asks questions later stands to go to jail for a long time.

Less crime? What kind? Arson? Car theft? Statistics are infamously skewable, and don't hold true over different regions. Where? In Wyoming and Utah? Detroit is the Murder Capital, and is choked with handguns. How many times are black men riddled with police bullets because it was assumed that they were armed and held nothing more than a cell phone or nothing at all? Handguns are the #1 killer in domestic violence. Guns do not prevent poverty, and it is there that crime flourishes in spite of a plethora of guns. Don't believe it? Forget the statistics and visit a place like Guatemala. Shotgun-toting rent-a-cops everywhere, watching you like prison guards. Useless police that just serve the rich. Doesn't stop the kidnapping and car theft. Armed civilians are gunned down if muggers don't get enough from them. The rent-a-cops go home. So you going to sit on your roof with a 50 caliber machine gun all night? Welcome to Libertarian paradise.

[WinePusher]

The majority of times when a weapon is used for self defense, it isn't even fired. The sight of it often stops a criminal. I hope I never would have to shoot another human being. To me that would only be justified if my or my families lives were in danger. Property can be replaced, people can't.

I think it is within rule 5 to say that I agree completely.

I agree as well, and my agreement comes from personal experience. I have gone armed for more than ten years, and I have never fired my weapon in earnest; even so, it has ended three (3) potentially deadly situations by its mere presence. One was a home invasion, which ended abruptly when the invaders discovered that I was armed; one an attempted mugging which ended the same way; and the third was a deranged (literally, as in later institutionalized) former friend who was on the record as saying repeatedly that he would have murdered me and my wife except for the fact that he knew I always carried a weapon.

There is absolutely no way in Hell or Heaven that I will give up my weapon; there is absolutely no way that anyone would be safer or more secure if I did. Quite the opposite, in fact.

By the way; in those ten years, very few people - only those closest to me - have been aware that I go armed. I keep that to myself. The only time my gun comes out of my pocket is when I am about to fire it, and when I undress at night. More people on this forum know about this than in my "real life." It's not about ego or "macho," it's about being prepared for violence in a violent world, and about staying alive.

of course, and this is the type of gun owner I approve of.

I just don't approve of young yahoos with guns. or attitudes that promote unsafe behavior with guns.

Well, whether gun ownership was legal or not, those "young yahoos" you speak of would still carry a firearm regardless.

The thing that is forgotten is that the law abiding, gun owning citizens would most likely give up their firearm if the state prohibited gun ownership, but the gangsters and criminals would be more than apathetic about the law. So gun control legislation really does nothing to reduce crime.

[East of Eden]

Detroit is the Murder Capital, and is choked with handguns.

The bad guys don't care about gun laws.

How many times are black men riddled with police bullets because it was assumed that they were armed and held nothing more than a cell phone or nothing at all?

What, you want to disarm the police?

Handguns are the #1 killer in domestic violence.

Most of those involved in domestic violence have prior criminal records, they're not exactly Ward and June Cleaver.

Guns do not prevent poverty,

Who said they did? That's like me saying gun laws don't cure cancer.

So you going to sit on your roof with a 50 caliber machine gun all night?

During the Rodney King riots, I remember many store owners who did just that. Not surprisingly, their stores weren't looted by the thugs.

Same thing after Hurricane Katrina, when the police went AWOL.

[FinalEnigma]

Detroit is the Murder Capital, and is choked with handguns.

The bad guys don't care about gun laws.

How many times are black men riddled with police bullets because it was assumed that they were armed and held nothing more than a cell phone or nothing at all?

What, you want to disarm the police?

Handguns are the #1 killer in domestic violence.

Most of those involved in domestic violence have prior criminal records, they're not exactly Ward and June Cleaver.

Guns do not prevent poverty,

Who said they did? That's like me saying gun laws don't cure cancer.

So you going to sit on your roof with a 50 caliber machine gun all night?

During the Rodney King riots, I remember many store owners who did just that. Not surprisingly, their stores weren't looted by the thugs.

Same thing after Hurricane Katrina, when the police went AWOL.

I don't actually object to concealed carry permits - I never have. However, I will put my foot down regarding 50 caliber machine guns. Civilians do NOT need such weapons.
you can quote me all the statistics you like to say the none have been used is mass shootings, but all it takes is one. Have you seen the damage a 50 cal can cause? they can cut buildings in half. literally. take one guy (or two) with a grudge and a 50 cal in the back of a van, and you have a big problem.

Guns are not defensive weapons. The fear of them can be a defensive weapon, but guns are not. they are for killing things, and they are very good at their job.

a 50 cal is even worse. it is of no more use defensively than an m-16. I would far rather have an m-16 or m-4 to defend myself or my property with, because of mobility and speed. with a 50 cal, you are relying purely upon fear to keep yourself safe, and if you have to actually use it, it will be a disaster.
The offensive power of a 50 cal is so overboard for defending yourself that it is utterly inappropriate for that purpose. they are for destroying things, and they are very good at that.

[JoeyKnothead]

On the issue of gun laws, let's not forget one of the reasons for citizens having guns - the threat from their own government. If we allow laws that restrict what weapons the citizens may own, we risk our government using superior weaponry against its own citizens. I don't mean this as a "conspiracy nut" or such, but do recognize it as a legitimate concern, if not for some countries, then for others.

[East of Eden]

On the issue of gun laws, let's not forget one of the reasons for citizens having guns - the threat from their own government. If we allow laws that restrict what weapons the citizens may own, we risk our government using superior weaponry against its own citizens. I don't mean this as a "conspiracy nut" or such, but do recognize it as a legitimate concern, if not for some countries, then for others.

That was certainly the view of the Founders. The Second Amendment guarantees all the rest.

[DeBunkem]

The Founders put down at least two rebellions...Shay's and the Whiskey rebellion. It is doubtful that they had in mind arming insurrectionists and traitors. Later Lincoln and our Union had to deal with armed traitors. Seems that we are forgetting the Gettysburg Adress.

[East of Eden]

The Founders put down at least two rebellions...Shay's and the Whiskey rebellion. It is doubtful that they had in mind arming insurrectionists and traitors.

Exactly what they were to the British.

[DeBunkem]

Detroit is the Murder Capital, and is choked with handguns.

The bad guys don't care about gun laws.

How many times are black men riddled with police bullets because it was assumed that they were armed and held nothing more than a cell phone or nothing at all?

What, you want to disarm the police?

Handguns are the #1 killer in domestic violence.

Most of those involved in domestic violence have prior criminal records, they're not exactly Ward and June Cleaver.

Guns do not prevent poverty,

Who said they did? That's like me saying gun laws don't cure cancer.

So you going to sit on your roof with a 50 caliber machine gun all night?

During the Rodney King riots, I remember many store owners who did just that. Not surprisingly, their stores weren't looted by the thugs.

Same thing after Hurricane Katrina, when the police went AWOL.

In poverty-stricken areas, high levels of violence occur not just because there are more criminals. Honest citizens feel compelled to arm themselves against crime because the police response time is so slow or non-existant. (or they are too busy busting minor drug offenders, helping to keep the prisons full and ensuring that more poor blacks will be marginalized). This is not the case when they get 911 calls from more affluent areas. The lack of police encourages criminals and results in a vicious circle. Criminals are more likely to engage in armed robbery because they assume homeowners or store clerks are armed. Life in prison or a bullet does not deter them but rather causes them to shoot pre-emptively. New Orleans cops are the most corrupt in the US. Of course they left the poor on their own. Looting started when people were abandoned by Bush and FEMA and had to get food and water from the only source they could....stores. White tourists were doing the same.