Complain about Zzyzx

[Zzyzx]

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I dedicate this thread to those who feel inclined or compelled to complain about my style of debate – those who attempt to “debate� my debating or make extensive personal comments (or attacks) rather than debating the topic of discussion.

Anyone who feels as though they have a legitimate complaint that Forum Rules and Guidelines have been violated is invited to report such infractions to the Moderating Team or Admin. That does happen from time to time, and when it does, I retract comments (with apology when appropriate).

However, many typical complaints, those that translate approximately to, “I don’t like (or disagree with) the way you debate�, can be discussed here to keep such comments from derailing debate threads. I consider most of those complaints to be unintended complements by those who cannot or will not defend or debate effectively in opposition.

I realize that it is frustrating to have someone repeatedly asking to be SHOWN that you speak truth – to have me disrespect the book you have been told by preachers and parents is “holy� or “the word of god� – to have it repeatedly pointed out that your favorite “god� is just one of thousands promoted, worshiped and/or feared by humans. I KNOW before asking that Fundamentalists cannot offer anything other than tales in stories in an ancient book to support “miracle� tales and tall tales – and that they must resort to asking that their tales be believed “on faith alone�. It must be embarrassing to have no evidence to offer.

[Lux]

To give an example of how the word "usurp" is properly used, I'll use it in a sentence: Argentina attempted to usurp the Falkland Islands from Britain, but they ultimately lost that battle.

Your 'subtle' provocation is noted.
If you were trying to get me to jump into a debate over who holds the legitimate claim over that territory, you have failed.
If you were trying to antagonize me by mentioning a particularly recent and painful event in the history of my country, which has nothing to do with what is being discussed, you have succeeded.

[McCulloch]

To give an example of how the word "usurp" is properly used, I'll use it in a sentence: Argentina attempted to usurp the Falkland Islands from Britain, but they ultimately lost that battle.

A better example would be Michael R. Bloomberg, who despite great public opposition, convinced the City Council to vote (29 to 22) to overturn two referendums (held in 1993 and 1996) and extend the term limitations, which enabled him to be re-elected to a third term as Mayor on November 3, 2009.

[Zzyzx]

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If you stick around JohnnyJersey, you might learn from your mistakes. You are wrong about the pronunciation and origin of the name, the history of the community and you have misused "usurped". I have no more "usurped" the name than you have when including "Jersey" in yours.

Think sweet thoughts next time you stop near Zzyzx Road to eat jerky.

Zzyzx, California (pronounced /ˈzaɪzɨks/), formerly Camp Soda and Soda Springs, is a settlement in San Bernardino County, California. It is the former site of the Zzyzx Mineral Springs and Health Spa[1] and now the site of the Desert Studies Center. The site is also the location of Lake Tuendae, originally part of the spa, and now a refuge habitat of the endangered Mohave tui chub.

Zzyzx Road is a 4.5-mile (7.2 km) long, part paved and part dirt, rural collector road in the Mojave Desert. It runs from Interstate 15 generally south to the Zzyzx settlement.

The settlement is in area code 760 and ZIP code 92309. The nearest town is Baker, California, 7 miles (11 km) north on I-15. Las Vegas, Nevada is the nearest major city, about 100 miles (160 km) northeast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zzyzx,_California

Oh, that's right - I forgot I am dealing with someone who has a master's in Wikipedia.

Do you resent having me cite correct information and references to point out your mistakes?

Is there a TOPIC that you feel qualified to debate? How about trying to defend some of the “Christian Miracles� as being truthful and accurate tales? Perhaps you realize you can’t do so.

And I didn't use "usurp" incorrectly, and I didn't "usurp" the name "Jersey" for my name.

I was not aware of any limitations upon what name one may chose for use in an Internet forum. Perhaps you would be good enough to cite the rules that apply?

Using Jersey in my screen name is pertinent to me as it is my location.

"Jersey" is also the name of breed of milk cow -- that predates your use of the term. Do you claim association there too?

I see you are in Ozark Hot Springs,

DEAD WRONG AGAIN.

The term "Ozarks" refers to a mountain area of NW Arkansas -- with NO connection to any hot springs. I know of no city or region in Arkansas known as “Ozark Hot Springs� – perhaps you can provide a reference.

The city of Hot Springs, Arkansas is located in Central Arkansas not far from Little Rock -- in the Ouachita Mountains.

There is a city named Ozark, Arkansas in the Arkansas River Valley, but it is not associated with hot springs (to the best of my knowledge).

in your beloved Bible Belt,

Ah yes, the Bible Belt -- lovely area, forested, rolling country, small towns, low cost of living, minimal bureaucratic interference, nice people (even if most appear to be "eat up with religion"). I own a few acres at the foot of a mountain, not too far from town, with good neighbors and a no-stress lifestyle. I rather enjoy the area – more so than any other area of the Nation (based on thirty years of extensive travel and living in many different areas of the nation – including not too far from Zzyzx, California – long enough to get to know the areas and their people).

far from Zzyzx Rd. in California.

Yes, I am presently located 1470 miles from Zzyzx, California. Is that somehow material to your disapproval?

You use it as your screen name, you usurped it as it describe neither your name nor your location.

What, exactly, are the "rules" for selection of screen names and what, exactly, are the "rules" for usurp?


I do hope you stick around the forum for a while to demonstrate to readers how one argues in favor of religion (if that is what you are doing).

[lao tzu]

I'd like to remind everyone that this thread was opened to field complaints about Zzyzx. Complaints about inhabitants of Jersey, usurped Argentinian territories, fundamentalist christians, and the dentally challenged but otherwise admirable residents of the Ozarks are decidedly out of place.

Think sweet thoughts next time you stop near Zzyzx Road to eat jerky.

What kind of sick, twisted mind can entertain sweet thoughts of jerky while listening to the strains of splattering insect?

[JohnnyJersey]

To give an example of how the word "usurp" is properly used, I'll use it in a sentence: Argentina attempted to usurp the Falkland Islands from Britain, but they ultimately lost that battle.

Your 'subtle' provocation is noted.
If you were trying to get me to jump into a debate over who holds the legitimate claim over that territory, you have failed.
If you were trying to antagonize me by mentioning a particularly recent and painful event in the history of my country, which has nothing to do with what is being discussed, you have succeeded.

So let me understand this....

When McCulloch tried "subtle provocation" with me by trying to use me and something personal about me as an example, it was "WIN!!!" in your opinion....

When I used an example that you took as "subtle provocation", it was not "WIN!!!!"???? Instead it was "trying to get [you] to jump into a debate" or "trying to antagonize [you]"???

Kind of a double standard there, don't you think?

Or were trying to antagonize me by piping in with "WIN!!!" for McCulloch over something that he wasn't even right about and was personal about (against) me, and if so, why the double standard??? Cry me a river...

You presented yourself as a respectful poster earlier, I hope you can prove that to be true despite this incident.

[JohnnyJersey]

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Oh, that's right - I forgot I am dealing with someone who has a master's in Wikipedia.

Do you resent having me cite correct information and references to point out your mistakes?

No; what I resent is your pretending to know things when in reality it's wikipedia (or often another dubious source) that knows and you simply regurgitate it. That seems to be your modus operandi in every thread, every post.

Is there a TOPIC that you feel qualified to debate? How about trying to defend some of the “Christian Miracles� as being truthful and accurate tales? Perhaps you realize you can’t do so.

There are many topics I feel qualified to debate. I know I can defend Christian miracles as being truthful and accurate. From where do you come up with these weird outbursts? You just blurt out, from time to time, "So do YOU feel qualified to debate any TOPICS??? HUH HUH??? HUH? Why don't you Defend Bodies from the dead! Defend Talking Donkeys! Defend The SUN standing still!!! Are you AFRAID??? HUH HUH??? HUH??? HUH??? HUH?? HUH???"



Let me tell you how this feels after a while, with an example...

When I was a teen, whenever I'd go to play basketball at the town courts with my friends, there was this little kid there, about 8 or 9, I think he was slightly autistic... He always would see us coming, and we'd look at each other and roll our eyes, as he'd coming running up to us. "WHO'S gonna play me, HUH? YOU wanna play me??? HUH HUH??? HUH?? I'm GONNA BEAT YOU! I bet you don't wanna play me cuz you're SCARED!!! IS THAT WHY? HUH HUH?? HUH? WHY don't you PLAY ME??? Do ANY of you think you can PLAY ME??? HUH HUH??? HUH??? HUH???

Then we'd play him, and beat him, and he'd change things up... "YOU were OUTTA BOUNDS! NO That was a FOW-WELL!!! A FOW-WELL!!!!! I WON! YOU can't WIN you do FOW-WELLS!!! I WON! WANNA play again? HUH HUH??? SCARED????? TOO SCARED??? HUH HUH??? HUH???" We were as nice as could be, we'd play him, we'd let him win, but it was never enough. The kid was STARVING for attention, STARVING for a "game". Like an insatiable, energetic lap-dog who no matter how many times you throw that ball he will bring it back and expect you to do it AGAIN, over and over, again and again.

That's what it's like to constantly come in here and in any thread I post, the response comes back "SO what DO you think you're qualifed to debate? HUH HUH??? What TOPIC CAN you DEBATE??? HUH? AFRAID??? TOO SCARED??? HUH??? HUH??? HUH HUH HUH????"

So can you relax and just take the posts as they are, and stop trying to parlay every post I put up into a full-fledged, one-on-one, moderator-judged "formal" Debate??? How many times must I say "no"??? Enough's enough.

And I didn't use "usurp" incorrectly, and I didn't "usurp" the name "Jersey" for my name.

I was not aware of any limitations upon what name one may chose for use in an Internet forum. Perhaps you would be good enough to cite the rules that apply?

I'm using the term figuratively, as should be obvious from my context. Then again, I should know by now that context is not your strong point.

Using Jersey in my screen name is pertinent to me as it is my location.

"Jersey" is also the name of breed of milk cow -- that predates your use of the term. Do you claim association there too?

The "Jersey" cow comes from the Isle of Jersey. Both it and my location are named after the Isle of Jersey. What's your point?

I see you are in Ozark Hot Springs,

DEAD WRONG AGAIN.

The term "Ozarks" refers to a mountain area of NW Arkansas -- with NO connection to any hot springs. I know of no city or region in Arkansas known as “Ozark Hot Springs� – perhaps you can provide a reference.

The city of Hot Springs, Arkansas is located in Central Arkansas not far from Little Rock -- in the Ouachita Mountains.

There is a city named Ozark, Arkansas in the Arkansas River Valley, but it is not associated with hot springs (to the best of my knowledge).

Like it matters. It's all the sticks, the "Bible Belt" as you lovingly refer to your home.

in your beloved Bible Belt,

Ah yes, the Bible Belt -- lovely area, forested, rolling country, small towns, low cost of living, minimal bureaucratic interference, nice people (even if most appear to be "eat up with religion"). I own a few acres at the foot of a mountain, not too far from town, with good neighbors and a no-stress lifestyle. I rather enjoy the area – more so than any other area of the Nation (based on thirty years of extensive travel and living in many different areas of the nation – including not too far from Zzyzx, California – long enough to get to know the areas and their people).

Wow, I've only ever heard you complain about the "Bible Belt". Whine and complain, a lot. Now, all of a sudden, it's a bucolic, lovely area, carefully selected, after 30 years of research, looking for utopia...

I think it probably helps that it's cheap as all get-out to live in Arkansas, too....

far from Zzyzx Rd. in California.

Yes, I am presently located 1470 miles from Zzyzx, California. Is that somehow material to your disapproval?

You use it as your screen name, you usurped it as it describe neither your name nor your location.

What, exactly, are the "rules" for selection of screen names and what, exactly, are the "rules" for usurp?

Look up the word. Once you know the definition, see if you can understand how it would apply figuratively. If not, ask me again and I'll explain it.

I do hope you stick around the forum for a while to demonstrate to readers how one argues in favor of religion (if that is what you are doing).

With logic and reason? Why would you want me to show readers that? It will make you look bad.

[Goat]

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Oh, that's right - I forgot I am dealing with someone who has a master's in Wikipedia.

Do you resent having me cite correct information and references to point out your mistakes?

No; what I resent is your pretending to know things when in reality it's wikipedia (or often another dubious source) that knows and you simply regurgitate it. That seems to be your modus operandi in every thread, every post.

You mean, he actually backs up his claims?? Wikipedia is a good source to show you aren't making things up. Showing a source for a claim is far better in debate that making things up, don't you think?? Does he 'simply regurgitate it'?? I would say that showing a legit source for a claim is not regurgitating things, it is showing that you aren't pulling a rabbit out of the hat.

I like it when people show a source for their information. It allows me to evaluate not only the claim, but the source, and to see if the source has any overt bias. I would judge wikipedia as a source in one way, and someone who uses 'storm front.org' as a source in another way. I would judge a source differently if it is the princeton university verses the ABC bible college in a different manner too.

And, I judge someone who makes claims and doesn't back them up with either logic, or a source in yet another way.

In debate, it is the difference between supporting a claim with a reasonable legit source, and making claims you can't back up.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 26:

No; what I resent is your pretending to know things when in reality it's wikipedia (or often another dubious source) that knows and you simply regurgitate it. That seems to be your modus operandi in every thread, every post.

In the age of the internet one of the greatest things life presents is the easy ability to search for answers to questions. While one may not immediately know something, the ability to seek out that knowledge is a form of knowledge itself. One does not necessarily "pretend" to know something when they present supporting data, so much as they present supporting data.

I personally would prefer one refute the data, moreso than whether a poster possessed that data (knowledge) prior to presenting it.

But, since this is a thread dedicated to picking on Zzyzx, I say Zzyzx asks too dang many uncomfortable questions

[Lux]

So let me understand this....

When McCulloch tried "subtle provocation" with me by trying to use me and something personal about me as an example, it was "WIN!!!" in your opinion....

When I used an example that you took as "subtle provocation", it was not "WIN!!!!"???? Instead it was "trying to get [you] to jump into a debate" or "trying to antagonize [you]"???

Let's recap.
McCulloch was trying to provoke you by simply stating that (while you accused Zzyzx of usurping a name) you live in a place that is named after another place?
You accused someone of usurping and then someone else pointed out that the name of the place where you live could also be considerer "usurped". I found it funny so I pointed that out.

Or were trying to antagonize me by piping in with "WIN!!!" for McCulloch over something that he wasn't even right about and was personal about (against) me, and if so, why the double standard??? Cry me a river...

No, i wasn't trying to antagonize you, I was laughing at the irony

And do you really consider the name of your town and it's origins "personal"? As terrible and hurtful as a war? Would it sit well with you if I made fun of Vietnam as a response of you laughing at a simple observation about my hometown (which is also named after another place by the way)?

You presented yourself as a respectful poster earlier, I hope you can prove that to be true despite this incident.

I don't see any disrespect from my part, I see you blowing me laughing at an observation out of proportion.
I hope you can prove to be a respectful poster after this and after your introductory post.

[WinePusher]

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If you stick around JohnnyJersey, you might learn from your mistakes. You are wrong about the pronunciation and origin of the name, the history of the community and you have misused "usurped". I have no more "usurped" the name than you have when including "Jersey" in yours.

Think sweet thoughts next time you stop near Zzyzx Road to eat jerky.

Zzyzx, California (pronounced /ˈzaɪzɨks/), formerly Camp Soda and Soda Springs, is a settlement in San Bernardino County, California. It is the former site of the Zzyzx Mineral Springs and Health Spa[1] and now the site of the Desert Studies Center. The site is also the location of Lake Tuendae, originally part of the spa, and now a refuge habitat of the endangered Mohave tui chub.

Zzyzx Road is a 4.5-mile (7.2 km) long, part paved and part dirt, rural collector road in the Mojave Desert. It runs from Interstate 15 generally south to the Zzyzx settlement.

The settlement is in area code 760 and ZIP code 92309. The nearest town is Baker, California, 7 miles (11 km) north on I-15. Las Vegas, Nevada is the nearest major city, about 100 miles (160 km) northeast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zzyzx,_California

Oh, that's right - I forgot I am dealing with someone who has a master's in Wikipedia.

Do you resent having me cite correct information and references to point out your mistakes?

Is there a TOPIC that you feel qualified to debate? How about trying to defend some of the “Christian Miracles� as being truthful and accurate tales? Perhaps you realize you can’t do so.

And I didn't use "usurp" incorrectly, and I didn't "usurp" the name "Jersey" for my name.

I was not aware of any limitations upon what name one may chose for use in an Internet forum. Perhaps you would be good enough to cite the rules that apply?

Using Jersey in my screen name is pertinent to me as it is my location.

"Jersey" is also the name of breed of milk cow -- that predates your use of the term. Do you claim association there too?

I see you are in Ozark Hot Springs,

DEAD WRONG AGAIN.

The term "Ozarks" refers to a mountain area of NW Arkansas -- with NO connection to any hot springs. I know of no city or region in Arkansas known as “Ozark Hot Springs� – perhaps you can provide a reference.

The city of Hot Springs, Arkansas is located in Central Arkansas not far from Little Rock -- in the Ouachita Mountains.

There is a city named Ozark, Arkansas in the Arkansas River Valley, but it is not associated with hot springs (to the best of my knowledge).

in your beloved Bible Belt,

Ah yes, the Bible Belt -- lovely area, forested, rolling country, small towns, low cost of living, minimal bureaucratic interference, nice people (even if most appear to be "eat up with religion"). I own a few acres at the foot of a mountain, not too far from town, with good neighbors and a no-stress lifestyle. I rather enjoy the area – more so than any other area of the Nation (based on thirty years of extensive travel and living in many different areas of the nation – including not too far from Zzyzx, California – long enough to get to know the areas and their people).

far from Zzyzx Rd. in California.

Yes, I am presently located 1470 miles from Zzyzx, California. Is that somehow material to your disapproval?

You use it as your screen name, you usurped it as it describe neither your name nor your location.

What, exactly, are the "rules" for selection of screen names and what, exactly, are the "rules" for usurp?


I do hope you stick around the forum for a while to demonstrate to readers how one argues in favor of religion (if that is what you are doing).

Are you a liberal?