Complain about Zzyzx

[Zzyzx]

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I dedicate this thread to those who feel inclined or compelled to complain about my style of debate – those who attempt to “debate� my debating or make extensive personal comments (or attacks) rather than debating the topic of discussion.

Anyone who feels as though they have a legitimate complaint that Forum Rules and Guidelines have been violated is invited to report such infractions to the Moderating Team or Admin. That does happen from time to time, and when it does, I retract comments (with apology when appropriate).

However, many typical complaints, those that translate approximately to, “I don’t like (or disagree with) the way you debate�, can be discussed here to keep such comments from derailing debate threads. I consider most of those complaints to be unintended complements by those who cannot or will not defend or debate effectively in opposition.

I realize that it is frustrating to have someone repeatedly asking to be SHOWN that you speak truth – to have me disrespect the book you have been told by preachers and parents is “holy� or “the word of god� – to have it repeatedly pointed out that your favorite “god� is just one of thousands promoted, worshiped and/or feared by humans. I KNOW before asking that Fundamentalists cannot offer anything other than tales in stories in an ancient book to support “miracle� tales and tall tales – and that they must resort to asking that their tales be believed “on faith alone�. It must be embarrassing to have no evidence to offer.

[Miles]

However, many typical complaints, those that translate approximately to, “I don’t like (or disagree with) the way you debate�, can be discussed here to keep such comments from derailing debate threads

Yeah, like that's going to happen. You can't disarm the enemy and then expect him to put up any kind of fight.

It must be embarrassing to have no evidence to offer.

One would certainly think so, but when it comes to fighting for house and home nothing seems to bother the desperate.

[Jester]

Moderator Caution

One would certainly think so, but when it comes to fighting for house and home nothing seems to bother the desperate.

Referring to a group as "desperate" is trespassing into the edges of ad hominems, and the same could be said of your other comment. Please be careful about these types of comments.

To all involved, this topic clearly danger of starting personal conflicts. Let us be extra cautious about avoiding them here.

[Miles]

Moderator Caution

One would certainly think so, but when it comes to fighting for house and home nothing seems to bother the desperate.

Referring to a group as "desperate" is trespassing into the edges of ad hominems, and the same could be said of your other comment. Please be careful about these types of comments.

To all involved, this topic clearly danger of starting personal conflicts. Let us be extra cautious about avoiding them here.

I was simply acknowledging and agreeing with what Zzyzx said, that "it must embarrassing to have no evidence to offer," and then concluding that to have no evidence to offer and yet continue to claim so one must be desperate. I would conclude the same in any other like circumstance. Wouldn't you? Wouldn't you think that one must be pretty desperate to be driven to insisting that aliens from Mars walked among us? Now, if you take exception to the claim that "Fundamentalists cannot offer anything other than tales in stories in an ancient book to support “miracle� tales and tall tales – and that they must resort to asking that their tales be believed “on faith alone�. It must be embarrassing to have no evidence to offer," I suggest you take it up with Zzyzx. (Sorry about that Zz.) My part here has been one of agreement---which I assume doesn't violate any rules (agree with someone)---and what I see as a rational conclusion in regard to that claim.

As for my "Yeah, like that's going to happen. You can't disarm the enemy and then expect him to put up any kind of fight." Here again, all I'm doing is expressing what I see as the consequence of what was stated in the OP. I honestly don't see what Zzxyz suggested as ever happening. And I fail to see how that might be trespassing into the edges of ad hominems. Zzxyz chose to talk about posters here on DC&R, and it naturally follows that any comments, whatever they are, would likewise address this subject: other posters some of whom are Fundamentalists.

So, there was no ad hominem attack or anything close to it. My reply was nothing more than an agreement with what was said in the OP, and what I consider a reasonable conclusion based on the its claims. I assume you too would conclude that one would have to be pretty desperate to insist that aliens from Mars were walking among us despite the lack of any evidence. In essence this is all I have done.

[Jester]

Moderator Comment

I was simply...

Responding to moderator comments publicly is against the rules. If you feel that you have an important point to make, PM myself or another moderator.

[P.S.]

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I dedicate this thread to those who feel inclined or compelled to complain about my style of debate – those who attempt to “debate� my debating or make extensive personal comments (or attacks) rather than debating the topic of discussion.
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The problem here is, how I see it, that there is no real discussion when two sides are too different and hardheaded. It sometimes looks like words from one person go into another person's ear (or eye, if you are reading it), straight through head to another ear without sticking in one's brain at all. We might as well write in the same time and not read other's text and get the same effect. I like some of Zzyzx's comments because I agree with them and those that do not will always disagree with Zzyzx, no matter how and what she/he says!!! I will say 'wow - that was a good answer!' and the other guy would be 'huhhh? this is not even a sentence!'.
Really - is there any improvement here? Are Christians more likely to understand and accept 'the others' and do atheists start thinking that it must be 'something' in that 'god story'. My guess is that we all stay the same in and out of these kind of discussions and therefore sometimes there is nothing else left except personal attacks. I believe ( ) however, even though it is against common sense, that some people will start thinking with their own heads and not to repeat what their priest said and I continue discussion and support efforts of Zzyzx's and others like him/her that are trying to save those unfortunate souls I am sure 'the other side' thinks the same - 'saving' someone will bring more reward points for Heaven. Is this driving this 'communication' or genuine attempt to understand those that are different?

[lao tzu]

Zzyzx is impossible to spell and even more impossible to pronounce.

[Lux]

Zzyzx is impossible to spell and even more impossible to pronounce.

I pronunce it (in my head) "Zysk"

[lao tzu]

I pronunce it (in my head) "Zysk"

I hear it onomatopoetically as the sound made by an electric bug-zapper as a moth wanders into the field.

[JohnnyJersey]

Zzyzx is impossible to spell and even more impossible to pronounce.

It's pronounced "zizzix". Zzyzx Road is a road off I-15 in the Mojave desert near Baker, CA. It was named as such because, according to locals, the people who named it (I believe it's Cal State's, so probably their students who are in that science department/major that uses the place) wanted it to be the absolute last word in either a dictionary or phone book. Zzyzx usurped it for his screen name.

Every year when I drive from Vegas to L.A. I stop at Baker for jerky and then I stop at Zzyzx road and eat the jerky while staring at the desert. It's a lot more fun than it sounds. Also a good break from the drive.