Muslims have a difficult time understanding that GOD inspired different writters to put eyewitness accounts down in their own words. The versions might be might slightly different but they do not contradict but compilment the full story.
Everyone sees things differently and at a criminal trial eyewitnesses often have different things to report about the crime- sorted out all these clues add up to tell the full story.
When you quote someone it is word for word, different people quoting one person usually say the very same words. Supposedly the Quran was revealed by one allah.
If one being/allah is telling a story why is the quote from Zakariya different?
3.40 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have son, seeing I am very old, and my wife is barren?" "Thus," was the answer, "Doth Allah accomplish what He willeth."
019.008 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son, when my wife is barren and I have grown quite decrepit from old age?"
Also why does allah skip around when telling a story? Why not tell the whole story in one chapter instead of jumping around all crazy?
One allah telling the story?
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Even both the verses are giving same thing, that Allah will create man from Clay.van wrote:Nope, I understand arabic to be a very difficult language to be translated into any other language.
With each verse the translators have done their best to give what they think is the best translation. I have no issue with that.
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YUSUFALI: Behold! thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man, from sounding clay from mud moulded into shape;
PICKTHAL: And (remember) when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am creating a mortal out of potter's clay of black mud altered,
SHAKIR: And when your Lord said to the angels: Surely I am going to create a mortal of the essence of black mud fashioned in shape
What I have issue is when allah repeats in verse 38:71 what he says he said to the angels in 15:28 it is different.
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YUSUFALI: Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man from clay:
PICKTHAL: When thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to create a mortal out of mire,
SHAKIR: When your Lord said to the angels; Surely I am going to create a mortal from dust:
How can you trust a being that changes what he tells you from one time to the next?
Clay is a mixture of dust/sand and water. whatever the translator thinks best and easy to understand, he uses that word. No problem is there, what difficulty you are facing I dont understand.
So it is, without any doubt.van wrote: The Quran is supposed to be word for word directly from one being.
No, same thing is repeated, what you are saying about forgeting, its in Bible, not in Quranvan wrote: Does allah forget what he said earlier?

Quran is in arabic, do you found different words in every Quran?van wrote: Did allah only inspire the thought and allow man to use their own words to put it down in writting?
No, its same comilation, authentic and proven by history, normaly what happens that Muhammad (pbuh) dictate the writers , and after they read it for him, and he confirm if its correct or not, this was the routine, dats why there is no chance of mistake.van wrote: Is the Quran actually a compilaton from the different companions that wrote down the verses for Mohammad?
"Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." [Qur''''an 17:81)
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So tell me verbatim what did allah say?
7.24 (Allah) said: "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time."
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20.123 He said: "Get ye down, both of you,- all together, from the Garden, with enmity one to another: but if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from Me, whosoever follows My Guidance, will not lose his way, nor fall into misery.
7.24 (Allah) said: "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time."
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20.123 He said: "Get ye down, both of you,- all together, from the Garden, with enmity one to another: but if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from Me, whosoever follows My Guidance, will not lose his way, nor fall into misery.
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Re: One allah telling the story?
Post #23You see the Quran unlike the Bible is not written nor compiled in a storybook format. The Bible is written from the beginning like a Human being would write a story today if he were to explain history and what happened since the time of creation and Adam. Don't read the Quran the same way you expect the Bible to be read.van wrote:Muslims have a difficult time understanding that GOD inspired different writters to put eyewitness accounts down in their own words. The versions might be might slightly different but they do not contradict but compilment the full story.
Everyone sees things differently and at a criminal trial eyewitnesses often have different things to report about the crime- sorted out all these clues add up to tell the full story.
When you quote someone it is word for word, different people quoting one person usually say the very same words. Supposedly the Quran was revealed by one allah.
If one being/allah is telling a story why is the quote from Zakariya different?
3.40 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have son, seeing I am very old, and my wife is barren?" "Thus," was the answer, "Doth Allah accomplish what He willeth."
019.008 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son, when my wife is barren and I have grown quite decrepit from old age?"
Also why does allah skip around when telling a story? Why not tell the whole story in one chapter instead of jumping around all crazy?
So instances in the Quran stories are told in full and other places only one part of the story may be mentioned to place emphasis. And also certain things about prophets and their stories from the Bible the Quran does not account for. Like in the Bible when it accuses Lot of having incest with his two daughters, Their is no mention of this in the Quran.
Those verses you quote should be seen as a whole and not separate of one another. Where is the discrepency?
Bismillahir rahmaanir Raheem \"In The Name of Allah, the most gracious, the most merciful\"
Post #25
I think this "skipping around" while telling a story is because there is nothing god like or holy in this or other books. They are all written by humans and humans make mistakes. This is why, why most stories and parts from koran or bible just don't seem to fit. They can not fit anyway because most of things written down were done by people who have never been directly there at the same time at the same place where things used to happed. They are no really eye whiteness, so most thing likely never have happened in the way they were put down in these books. Most informations are from people who have at least lived a 50 years or more after some events...
Up to 80% of these books are fantasy, story telling from so many different unsure sources.
Sadly too many people take this stuff still too serious...
Up to 80% of these books are fantasy, story telling from so many different unsure sources.
Sadly too many people take this stuff still too serious...