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Joshua
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Questions the Mohammedan Creed puts forth against Catholic

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While Catholic Apologetics research the Quran. The Mohammedan Creed critises Catholic Christians within it. ( Note; Protestants was not formed by Man yet.)

The Quranic Creed states; And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which we reveal unto thee, then ask those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee." Sura Yunus 10:95

Hence, whoever is speaking to Muhammad here is telling him to read the Gospel and the Hebrew Scriptures, if he is in doubt of what is being revealed to him.


The Quranic Creed states; And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which we reveal unto thee, then ask those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee." Sura Yunus 10:95

But when Catholics and Jews both refute the Quranic Creed, why do Mohammedan's say our Gospel and Scriptures have become corrupt.
When even in the Quranic Creed it states ; [Yunus 10:64] Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the Supreme Triumph.

So we conclude "Allah" words never change. So how can Allah ( Meaning God in Arabic) who inspired and guided the Holy Gospel and the Hebrew Scriptures what are his words become changed.

The Quran states; [an-Nahl 16:101] And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth- they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.

The Quran states; Yunus 10:64] Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the Supreme Triumph.


[an-Nahl 16:101] states his words change.


[Yunus 10:64] states his words never changed.



Another passage states; [an-Nisa' 4:82] Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than God, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

We did consider it we fount contradictions.


Mohammedan's read this article and you will realise why Catholics and Jews refuse to believe in Mohammed;
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apo ... omslam.htm

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(Do not take part of the verses and leave the rest)

94- If you O Muhammad or any of your followers are in doubt of what has been inspired to you, then you may ask those who have been reading and perusing the Book before you and interpreting it in thought with understanding of what it meant and not what it merely implied. Therefore, do not let their assertion of what is false make you doubtful and anxious.[10:94 yunus]

Prophet Mohamed said I have no doubts and I don’t ask them .
To make the muslims sure and to inform them that the status of the Prophet Muhammad in the Bible and old testament. Although they( Christians and jews) know that prophet(Mohamed) is the last prophet, but they deny it ( see evidences that show Mohamed in the bible ) and therefore god said

95- Nor should you or anyone of those who followed you be among those who deny Allah's revelations and signs lest you be a part of those who were born to be losers.
96- Indeed those whose thoughts thrived on disobedience have verified Allah's divine preordination declared in words thus: «These were born to it; they shall not conform to Allah's will nor to His system of faith and worship.»
97- They just would not believe even if they be presented with every supernatural sign clearly betokening Allah's Omnipotence and Authority until they meet face to face with the torment Allah lays upon the damned.[10:95-96-97 yunus]


First verses are
62- Indeed, those whose hearts have been touched with the divine hand who chose to be under Allah's tutelage are they who are safe and secure; they have no ground for alarm nor shall fear or dread fall upon them, nor shall they come to grief.
63- They have faithfully recognized Allah with hearts impressed with the image of religious and spiritual virtues and entertained the profound reverence dutiful to Him.
64- The news of joyful events are hereby announced to them in this world and in the world-to-come. The words uttered by Allah are not alterable, meaning that divine assurance of present and future good or blessing is irrevocable and this is indeed triumph supreme. [10:62-63-64 yunus]

That such a promise does not alter, does not changed and it is a decision being installed inevitably ( for those who did the right, they will go to heaven )

Second verses are
101- If We happen to exchange a revelation which has already served its purpose for another revelation appropriate for the new circumstance, and Allah knows exactly what to reveal and when, they -the infidels- accuse your O Muhammad of forgery. Indeed, most of them do not know the facts nor do they reflect.
102- Say to them: «This and that and all divine revelations are being conveyed by the Holy Spirit from Allah, my Creator, to strengthen -in opinion, action and purpose- those whose hearts have been touched with the divine hand and they are joyful tidings to those who have conformed to Islam.[16:101-102 the bees – al nahl]

Infidels if they see that god change his provisions they said that the Prophet Mohammed is a liar, but God does that and does what he wants and change his provisions as he likes, all was sent by god –the god sent it to prophet Mohamed by the angel Gabriel
Believers believe in what was revealed first and second down as both was sent from god to his prophet Mohamed and after the death of Mohamed the provisions, islam, Koran and religion is at the final stage and will not going to change till the end of days

And you may say that contradict this ( BUT NO CONTRADICTION )
106- They question, O Muhammad, the wisdom of abrogation in certain circumstances. None of Our revelations or signs, secondary in character, do We terminate, but We replace it with a better or equivalent substitute; do you not know that Allah is Qadirun (Omnipotent) to effect all things. [ 2:106 al bakara]
But no contradictions,as god made his prophet Mohamed and muslims in that time to forget certain parts from the Koran and that happened in the time when prophet Mohamed were alive, and the angel Gabriel was teaching Mohamed the Koran and after they forgot part of the Koran, the god replaced that part with another part that is better than the old one or equivalent . this was in the provisions (whats right and whats wrong whats forbidden and what isn’t forbidden )not in the news nor religion, as there was no replace in religion nor in news. Again that happened till the death of prophet Mohamed. as after his death the Koran was at the final stage that exists now and will forever stay till the end of days.
And you will not going to find change in god`s words or in Koran (millions of people from all around the world are memorizing Koran now and in Arabic so no change in translation or so ) and there is no difference although Arabic is not the first language for them all and that a miracle of Koran !!! how can they memorizing the Koran although Arabic is not their first language ?!! that’s cause it's from god while on the other hand you will see number of people who memorized the old or the new testament are very few !! that`s if we found someone who can memorize old or new testament at all ?!! because old and new testament was from god till men changed many parts of them so it became man words so no one can memorized it ( there are many contradictions in bible that show the change) may be I will start a topic about that later .
Replacing is a test for the believer, and to test those infidels, because god changed his provisions that he sets to his creatures, so god can change what he wants, and set what he wants. till god commanded his angel Gabriel to stop. and god commanded the end of life of his prophet Mohamed, then everything was settled.
3- Today have I complemented for you your religion and made all grace abound in you. And I have chosen for you Islam as the acceptable system of faith and worship [5:3 al maeda]

And that shows the fact that islam replaces old testament and new testament ( the remaining parts form both that was from god ) and now Koran is the only holy book on earth and the only religion accepted by god is islam.

Examples of replacing provisions:-
1- The marriage of sons and daughters of adam and eve – it was right(halal) then it became wrong ( sin ) for the next generations
2- For prophet noah to eat all kind of animals , then some animals are not allowed to eat for muslims like pigs
3- God commanded Ibrahim to slay his son, then he order him to stop and slay an animal instead
4- God commanded jews to kill those who worshiped the animal instead of god , and after that god commanded them to stop the killing

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