Muslim claims of scientific accuracy in the Quran

[OnceConvinced]

In another thread:

Actually look through the Book(it's online I provide the link below lol) before you discredit it. I know the Title may throw you off, and you'll probably click the exit right then and there... but go through it.. check the table of contents and see whats most interesting...

http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf

*~In reality what is in it could not have been known 1,400 years ago. So it proves God exists... and if you don't think so, well it lessens the chances that he doesn't... If you think one is vague go on to the next one, I assure you most of the verses are direct statements that meet up with what is now known.

Does this document prove that the Quran contains knowledge of the world that primitive man couldn't possibly have known? Does it prove that Allah is the one true God? Please justify your response.

[TrueReligion]

Actually I tried to give exact point,. but better to explain in detail, Also the book is in jpg. attached in pdf format, so I can't copy the exact page, but you may read all, it will for sure clear you.

Yes why don't you explain what you are trying to say.

And its not taken from Hadith,. please clear the concept of Hadith and Quran 1st, as for sure you dont know the difference between the two.

Instead of correcting a minor point how about you actually try to defend your position and the article you pasted in defense of it.

Its very easy to read the article, I dont see problem in reading it, all your conceptys will be clear if you like to read.

[Wyvern]

Actually I tried to give exact point,. but better to explain in detail, Also the book is in jpg. attached in pdf format, so I can't copy the exact page, but you may read all, it will for sure clear you.

Yes why don't you explain what you are trying to say.

And its not taken from Hadith,. please clear the concept of Hadith and Quran 1st, as for sure you dont know the difference between the two.

Instead of correcting a minor point how about you actually try to defend your position and the article you pasted in defense of it.

Its very easy to read the article, I dont see problem in reading it, all your conceptys will be clear if you like to read.

I did and it doesn't take away from the fact that mountains do not prevent earthquakes as you holy book claims.

[TrueReligion]

Actually I tried to give exact point,. but better to explain in detail, Also the book is in jpg. attached in pdf format, so I can't copy the exact page, but you may read all, it will for sure clear you.

Yes why don't you explain what you are trying to say.

And its not taken from Hadith,. please clear the concept of Hadith and Quran 1st, as for sure you dont know the difference between the two.

Instead of correcting a minor point how about you actually try to defend your position and the article you pasted in defense of it.

Its very easy to read the article, I dont see problem in reading it, all your conceptys will be clear if you like to read.

I did and it doesn't take away from the fact that mountains do not prevent earthquakes as you holy book claims.

If you dont want to read the evidence, than why you asked for the evidence?

[Wyvern]

Actually I tried to give exact point,. but better to explain in detail, Also the book is in jpg. attached in pdf format, so I can't copy the exact page, but you may read all, it will for sure clear you.

Yes why don't you explain what you are trying to say.

And its not taken from Hadith,. please clear the concept of Hadith and Quran 1st, as for sure you dont know the difference between the two.

Instead of correcting a minor point how about you actually try to defend your position and the article you pasted in defense of it.

Its very easy to read the article, I dont see problem in reading it, all your conceptys will be clear if you like to read.

I did and it doesn't take away from the fact that mountains do not prevent earthquakes as you holy book claims.

If you dont want to read the evidence, than why you asked for the evidence?

I did read it and it does not get around the fact that you have claimed mountains prevent earthquakes which I have already refuted.

[TrueReligion]

Actually I tried to give exact point,. but better to explain in detail, Also the book is in jpg. attached in pdf format, so I can't copy the exact page, but you may read all, it will for sure clear you.

Yes why don't you explain what you are trying to say.

And its not taken from Hadith,. please clear the concept of Hadith and Quran 1st, as for sure you dont know the difference between the two.

Instead of correcting a minor point how about you actually try to defend your position and the article you pasted in defense of it.

Its very easy to read the article, I dont see problem in reading it, all your conceptys will be clear if you like to read.

I did and it doesn't take away from the fact that mountains do not prevent earthquakes as you holy book claims.

If you dont want to read the evidence, than why you asked for the evidence?

I did read it and it does not get around the fact that you have claimed mountains prevent earthquakes which I have already refuted.

1st of all, nowhere its writen that mountains prevent earth from earth-quake, its your own assumption.
the word used is prevent from shaking, which has different meaning as of earth-quake.

Now if you can;t find in the article I gave you, you can refer to page # 58 of the pdf , and read it completely, you wil find your answers.

[TrueReligion]

[center]EVERY LIVING THING IS MADE OF WATER[/center]

Consider the following Qur’aanic verse:

“Do not the Unbelievers see thatthe heavens and the earth were joined together (as one Unit of Creation),before We clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?� [Al-Qur’aan 21:30]

Only after advances have been made in science, do we now know that
cytoplasm, the basic substance of the cell is made up of 80% water. Modern
research has also revealed that most organisms consist of 50% to 90% water
and that every living entity requires water for its existence. Was it possible 14
centuries ago for any human-being to guess that every living being was made
of water? Moreover would such a guess be conceivable by a human being in
the deserts of Arabia where there has always been scarcity of water?
The following verse refers to the creation of animals from water:

“And Allah has created Every animal from water.� [Al-Qur’aan 24:45]

The following verse refers to the creation of human beings from water:

“It is He Who has Created man from water: Then has He established
Relationships of lineage And marriage: for thy Lord Has power (over all
things).� [Al-Qur’aan 25:54]

[candlelight1377]

thats true 70% of our body is water
NASA scientists when they found water on a planet they say there is a possibility of life there ?!
i think muslims know that from 1400years ago from the quran

isnt it a scientific accuracy in the quran
but for those who see and understand

[Wyvern]

1st of all, nowhere its writen that mountains prevent earth from earth-quake, its your own assumption.
the word used is prevent from shaking, which has different meaning as of earth-quake.

A little bit of memory on your part would prevent you from making such mistakes. The quote below is from your initial paste. But please tell me what is an earth shake, you say it is different and I would like to know what this new word means. As I have said before I don't think you have ever experienced an earthquake if you had you would not say the earth doesn't shake during one.

5 According
to Dr. Press, the mountains play an important role in stabilizing the crust of
the earth.
The Qur’aan clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the
earth from shaking:
“And We have set on the earth Mountains standing firm, Lest it should shake with them.� [Al-Qur’aan 21:31]

5 Earth, Press and Siever, p. 435. Also see Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens,
p. 157.

Now if you can;t find in the article I gave you, you can refer to page # 58 of the pdf , and read it completely, you wil find your answers.

It is simply amazing how you can give two completely different explanations for something and apparently can not see that only one can be correct. Either your first paste or your second paste is wrong, take your pick but no matter what you are wrong. If you throw a bunch of things out for explanations sure you might accidently find the one correct answer but you will be wrong most of the time.

[TrueReligion]

[center]FOETUS PROTECTED BY THREE VEILS OF DARKNESS[/center]“

He makes you, In the wombs of your mothers, In stages, one after
another, In three veils of darkness.� [Al-Qur’aan 39:6]

According to Prof. Keith Moore these three veils of darkness in the Qur’aan
refer to:
(i) anterior abdominal wall of the mother
(ii) the uterine wall
(iii) the amnio-chorionic membrane.

EMBRYONIC STAGES

“Man We did create From a quintessence (of clay); Then We placed him
As (a drop of) sperm In a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then We made the
sperm Into a clot of congealed blood; Then of that clot We made A
(foetus) lump; then We Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the
bones With flesh; then We developed Out of it another creature. So
blessed be Allah, The Best to create!� [Al-Qur’aan 23:12-14]

In this verse Allah states that man is created from a small quantity of liquid
which is placed in a place of rest, firmly fixed (well established or lodged) for
which the Arabic word qarârin makîn is used.

The uterus is well protected from the posterior by the spinal column
supported firmly by the back muscles. The embryo is further protected by the
amniotic sac containing the amniotic fluid. Thus the foetus has a well
protected dwelling place. This small quantity of fluid is made into alaqah,
meaning something which clings. It also means a leech-like substance. Both
descriptions are scientifically acceptable as in the very early stages the foetus
clings to the wall and also appears to resemble the leech in shape. It also
behaves like a leech (blood sucker) and acquires its blood supply from the mother through
the placenta. The third meaning of the word alaqah is a blood clot. During this alaqah stage, which spans the third and fourth week of pregnancy, the
blood clots within closed vessels. Hence the embryo acquires the appearance
of a blood clot in addition to acquiring the appearance of a leech. In 1677,
Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm
cells (spermatozoa) using a microscope. They thought that a sperm cell
contained a miniature human being which grew in the uterus to form a
newborn. This was known as the perforation theory. When scientists
discovered that the ovum was bigger than the sperm, it was thought by De
Graf and others that the foetus existed in a miniature form in the ovum. Later,
in the 18th century Maupertuis propagated the theory of biparental
inheritance. The alaqah is transformed into mudghah which means
‘something that is chewed (having teeth marks)’ and also something that is
tacky and small which can be put in the mouth like gum. Both these
explanations are scientifically correct. Prof. Keith Moore took a piece of
plaster seal and made it into the size and shape of the early stage of foetus and
chewed it between the teeth to make it into a ‘Mudgha’. He compared this with the photographs of the early stage of foetus. The teeth marks resembled
the ‘somites’ which is the early formation of the spinal column.
This mudghah is transformed into bones (izâm). The bones are clothed with
intact flesh or muscles (lahm). Then Allah makes it into another creature.
Prof. Marshall Johnson is one of the leading scientists in US, and is the head
of the Department of Anatomy and Director of the Daniel Institute at the
Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia in US. He was asked to
comment on the verses of the Qur’aan dealing with embryology. He said that
the verses of the Qur’aan describing the embryological stages cannot be a
coincidence. He said it was probable that Muhammad (pbuh) had a powerful
microscope. On being reminded that the Qur’aan was revealed 1400 years
ago, and microscopes were invented centuries after the time of Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh), Prof. Johnson laughed and admitted that the first
microscope invented could not magnify more than 10 times and could not
show a clear picture. Later he said: “I see nothing here in conflict with the
concept that Divine intervention was involved when Muhammad (pbuh)
recited the Qur’aan.�

According to Dr. Keith Moore, the modern classification of embryonic
development stages which is adopted throughout the world, is not easily
comprehensible, since it identifies stages on a numerical basis i.e. stage I,
stage II, etc. The divisions revealed in the Qur’aan are based on distinct and
easily identifiable forms or shapes, which the embryo passes through. These
are based on different phases of prenatal development and provide elegant
scientific descriptions that are comprehensible and practical.
Similar embryological stages of human development have been described in
the following verses: “Was he not a drop Of sperm emitted (In lowly
form)? Then did he become a clinging clot; Then did (Allah) make and
fashion (him) In due proportion. And of him He made Two sexes, male
and female.� [Al-Qur’aan 75:37-39]
“Him Who created thee, fashioned thee in due proportion, And gave thee
a just bias; In whatever Form He wills, Does He put thee together.� [Al-
Qur’aan 82:7-8]

EMBRYO PARTLY FORMED AND PARTLY UNFORMED

At the mugdhah stage, if an incision is made in the embryo and the internal
organ is dissected, it will be seen that most of them are formed while the
others are not yet completely formed.
According to Prof. Johnson, if we describe the embryo as a complete creation,
then we are only describing that part which is already created. If we describe
it as an incomplete creation, then we are only describing that part which is not
yet created. So, is it a complete creation or an incomplete creation? There is
no better description of this stage of embryogenesis than the Qur’aanic
description, “partly formed and partly unformed�, as in the following verse:

“We created you Out of dust, then out of Sperm, then out of a leech-like
Clot, then out of a morsel Of flesh, partly formed And partly unformed.�
[Al-Qur’aan 22:5]

Scientifically we know that at this early stage of development there are some
cells which are differentiated and there are some cells that are
undifferentiated – some organs are formed and yet others unformed.

[Wyvern]

Jumping from one topic to another without defending your previous points that have been refuted demonstrates that you are more interested in proselytizing than you are in debating. I suggest if that is so you move this topic to random ramblings where it is more appropriate.