The End Times Are Very Near

[axeplayer]

There is a lot of evidence supporting the idea that the end times and the rapture are very near to happening. for example, the United Nations fulfill the prophesy that very near to the end times, the world will be united as one, and there will be peace on the earth(even though we're a long way from peace). also, barcodes, credit cards etc. are an early warning to the mark of the beast being used to pay for all of our expenses. In college station, Texas, there are stores where you can pay for your groceries, appliances, etc., with your thumbprint. So what does everyone else think? Are the end times and Judgement Day near?

[micatala]

It's like the NOVA "scientist" in Glen Rose Texas who refused to look at the human footprints found, not just alongside, but right in "dinosaur" footprints, and made the statement to the camera that "he found no evidence to disprove evolution". If he had turned around and considered the evidence, he would have found such evidence, but he was dishonest as most evolutionists are.

I have to agree with the Happy Humanist that a lot of your objections to evolution have been well-refuted.

BTW, I am a Christian and also accept that evolution is a well-supported a scientific theory as there is.

THe dinosaur/human footprints at Glen Rose are well known to not be as presented by creationists. See here for one discussion.

I won't address too much else in particular other than to note that the sedimentary layers we see could not have been the product of a single world wide flood. The flood is one of the most well-debunked aspects of literal creationism. Even those who disbelieve in evolution like Hugh Ross have good explanations of why, both scripturarlly and scientifically, a world wide flood did not occur.

[JED]

I cannot hear the spirit. I have not seen any evidence that any spirit exists.

Condolences. You'll understand when the 6th seal is opened.

I have to agree with the Happy Humanist that a lot of your objections to evolution have been well-refuted.

Please don't confuse an explanation with a refutation. Both sides have explanations, proof is a little more difficult to produce. Dinosaur bones don't exactly have the date stamped on them. Human footprints alongside and in dinosaur footprints may have explanations, but to me they're darn good evidence.

I looked at the obfuscations at the site indicated, I've seen that kind of baloney before. You'll notice you're supposed to take their word for it that erosion marks looked like human footprints, but they didn't show any pictures did they. It wasn't just one footprint, either. It was a track as if a man was running, there were numerous prints. Did erosion cause the entire track of prints? I've seen the photos, your evolutionist is explaining it away using a very, VERY large blarney stone.

This is a debating site. If you prefer not to debate or to support your point with evidence

OK, if you and I were watching a football game, and I predicted the Raiders were going to win, the evidence of my prediction coming true would be that the Raiders have more points when the game is over. The evidence of a prophecy is the fulfillment of the prophecy.

I have shown you the evidence of a prophecy coming to pass in our time. This particular prophecy follows a recurring pattern. I tried to detail it to you, but you retorted with "I cannot hear the spirit."

I've offered to provide anyone with my 120 page book that explains this prophecy in detail, but not a single person requested this free offer.

I must conclude that you simply don't want to know, but rather take some kind of perverse pleasure in debating the topic endlessly, bringing up technicalities and reverting to your "Oh, that has been well-refuted" stance, when, in fact, the refutations are simply cover-ups and distortions of very sound evidence made by those who don't want the truth to be widely known or accepted in "scholaraly" circles.

This alone is one of the indicators that we are nearing the end of this age, evolution has become the benchmark for acceptance into the "inner circle" of academia. Just as the 10 planks of the communist manifesto are the litmus test for political correctness.

But it seems I'm wasting my time here as there exists no common frame of reference. I'm sounding the alarm to deaf people who "cannot hear the spirit". I shall stop casting pearls before you. You obviously have no desire to be awakened out of your sleep.

If you wish to read more of this author, you may request my book at JED@minister.com.

Otherwise I shall be silent so as not to wake you.

[perplexed101]

I cannot hear the spirit. I have not seen any evidence that any spirit exists.

Condolences. You'll understand when the 6th seal is opened.

I have to agree with the Happy Humanist that a lot of your objections to evolution have been well-refuted.

Please don't confuse an explanation with a refutation. Both sides have explanations, proof is a little more difficult to produce. Dinosaur bones don't exactly have the date stamped on them. Human footprints alongside and in dinosaur footprints may have explanations, but to me they're darn good evidence.

I looked at the obfuscations at the site indicated, I've seen that kind of baloney before. You'll notice you're supposed to take their word for it that erosion marks looked like human footprints, but they didn't show any pictures did they. It wasn't just one footprint, either. It was a track as if a man was running, there were numerous prints. Did erosion cause the entire track of prints? I've seen the photos, your evolutionist is explaining it away using a very, VERY large blarney stone.

This is a debating site. If you prefer not to debate or to support your point with evidence

OK, if you and I were watching a football game, and I predicted the Raiders were going to win, the evidence of my prediction coming true would be that the Raiders have more points when the game is over. The evidence of a prophecy is the fulfillment of the prophecy.

I have shown you the evidence of a prophecy coming to pass in our time. This particular prophecy follows a recurring pattern. I tried to detail it to you, but you retorted with "I cannot hear the spirit."

I've offered to provide anyone with my 120 page book that explains this prophecy in detail, but not a single person requested this free offer.

I must conclude that you simply don't want to know, but rather take some kind of perverse pleasure in debating the topic endlessly, bringing up technicalities and reverting to your "Oh, that has been well-refuted" stance, when, in fact, the refutations are simply cover-ups and distortions of very sound evidence made by those who don't want the truth to be widely known or accepted in "scholaraly" circles.

This alone is one of the indicators that we are nearing the end of this age, evolution has become the benchmark for acceptance into the "inner circle" of academia. Just as the 10 planks of the communist manifesto are the litmus test for political correctness.

But it seems I'm wasting my time here as there exists no common frame of reference. I'm sounding the alarm to deaf people who "cannot hear the spirit". I shall stop casting pearls before you. You obviously have no desire to be awakened out of your sleep.

If you wish to read more of this author, you may request my book at JED@minister.com.

Otherwise I shall be silent so as not to wake you.

i would be more than obliged to take you up on your offer on that book.
Perhaps i will agree but i wont guarrantee that i will or wont. im having problems accessing your webpage though.

[JED]

im having problems accessing your webpage though.

It's not a website, it's an email address.

[perplexed101]

a world wide flood did not occur.

is this based from the nimrod/gilgamesh account?
or your attachment to copernicus?

while we are on the subject of dinosaurs... did you read everything from the link i gave to you?

It's not a website, it's an email address.

still wont work

[McCulloch]

This is a debating site. If you prefer not to debate or to support your point with evidence

OK, if you and I were watching a football game, and I predicted the Raiders were going to win, the evidence of my prediction coming true would be that the Raiders have more points when the game is over. The evidence of a prophecy is the fulfillment of the prophecy.

Yes, for your prophecy to be valid

• the prophecy has to be made prior to the event prophesied
• the prophecy has to unambiguously predict the events prophesied
• the events must accurately fulfil the prophesy.

while these may be true in the foot ball example, they are not true for John's Revelation.

I've offered to provide anyone with my 120 page book that explains this prophecy in detail, but not a single person requested this free offer.

There are very many competing interpretations available for Revelation. Books, papers, web sites, sermons. I do not have time to delve into all of them. Do you have any evidence that your particular interpretation is of any more value than the many others out there?

I must conclude that you simply don't want to know, but rather take some kind of perverse pleasure in debating the topic endlessly, bringing up technicalities and reverting to your "Oh, that has been well-refuted" stance, when, in fact, the refutations are simply cover-ups and distortions of very sound evidence made by those who don't want the truth to be widely known or accepted in "scholarly" circles.

That would be a false conclusion. Show me that there is evidence that the bible is true and that your interpretation has merit. Then I will invest the time to go through your 120 page book.

But it seems I'm wasting my time here as there exists no common frame of reference. I'm sounding the alarm to deaf people who "cannot hear the spirit". I shall stop casting pearls before you. You obviously have no desire to be awakened out of your sleep.

I am sorry to hear that. If you wish to gain my ear, provide evidence that something spiritual exists.

[JED]

the prophecy has to unambiguously predict the events prophesied

Prophecies in the Word of God are like the parables of His only begotten son in that they are only "for those with ears to hear". You have already indicated that you "cannot hear the spirit". You have repeatedly demonstrated an inabililty to make crossovers into deeper thought when metaphors are the device used to bring them to bear.

Evidently it's somebody elses mail, not yours. It's not ambiguous to its intended recipient, it's very clear to me. To you it's ambiguous, and I think that's the way you prefer it to be. If I'm being too tough on you I apologize, but you don't seem to be trying very hard to understand.

I know, I know, you want a debate, not an exchange of ideas.

Fine, you can have it.

I'll shake the dust off my feet and leave you in your agnosis.

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It's not a website, it's an email address.


still wont work

Trust me, it works, JED@minister.com

try all lower case, perhaps your email server doesn't accept upper case, mine does so its never been a problem for me.

[Cathar1950]

axeplayer:
evolution teaches things that are contrary to what the Bible teaches, such as, God created animals, and He created man from the dust of the ground. If someone does something that is contrary to what the Bible teaches (i.e. lying, or murder), than it is evil. Evolution is no different.

Yes evolution is diffrent. Who says that if it is contrary to the Bible it is evil? Lying and murder were evil long before any part of the Bible were written. There is a lot of stuff contray to what the Bible teaches even in the Bible.

Religious conservatives frequently concentrate on the Gospel of John, because: It emphasizes Jesus' deity,
It is the basis of many of the historical, fundamental Christian beliefs, and It bases individual salvation on faith rather than works.

www.religioustolerance.org/chr_john.htm

There is this story about a guy who thought he was dead. His whole family and friends were trying to persuade him that he was in error. They took him to a Dr.(MD). The Dr. ask him a question. Do dead men bleed? He responded "of course not" The doctor cut him and the guy yelled "Oh my! Dead men do bleed" Now if it was fundamentalist Christian or Evangelical that belives in the infallible inerrant scriptures he would say "I'm not bleeding"

I told this story earlier.

Jed wrote:

Prophecies in the Word of God are like the parables of His only begotten son in that they are only "for those with ears to hear". You have already indicated that you "cannot hear the spirit". You have repeatedly demonstrated an inabililty to make crossovers into deeper thought when metaphors are the device used to bring them to bear.

Oh some one is going to hell for rejecting light?
Even the propheses in the NT concerning Jesus were contorted beyond recognition.

An example is found in John 7:38 where Jesus said, "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." If Jesus was right in saying that scripture said this, just where was it said? No such statement in the Old Testament scriptures has ever been located, yet "the scripture" to Jesus would certainly have been the Old Testament. In this statement, then, we apparently have a fulfillment that was a fulfillment of--what? How could there be a fulfillment of a prophecy that was never even made?
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Jesus claimed another fulfillment of nonprophecy in Luke 24:46. Speaking to his disciples on the night of his alleged resurrection, he said, "Thus it is written and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day." That the resurrection of Christ on the third day was prophesied in the scriptures was claimed also by the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4: "For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures." In two different places, then, New Testament writers claimed that the resurrection of the Messiah on the third day had been predicted in the scriptures. Try as they may, however, bibliolaters cannot produce an Old Testament passage that made this alleged third-day prediction. It simply doesn't exist.
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In another example, Matthew said that the purchase of the potter's field with the thirty pieces of silver that Judas cast back to the chief priests and elders fulfilled a prophecy made by Jeremiah: "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was priced, whom certain of the children of Israel did price; and they gave them for the potter's field as the Lord appointed me" (27:9-10). The only problem is that Jeremiah never wrote anything remotely similar to this, so how could this be a fulfillment of "that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet"? Some scholars have suggested that Matthew was quoting "loosely" a statement that was actually written by Zechariah (11:12-13) rather than Jeremiah. If this is true, then one can only wonder why a divinely inspired writer, being guided by the omniscient Holy Spirit, would have said Jeremiah instead of Zechariah.

Farrell Till: Prophecy

That is just to name a few.
How about this one?

Revelation 1:11: The phrase "Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and," (KJV) which is found in the King James Version was not in the original Greek texts. It is also found in the New King James Version (NKJV) and in the 21st Century King James Version (KJ21) The latter are basically re-writes of the original KJV. Modern English, is used, but the translators seem to have made little or no effort to correct errors. The Alpha Omega phrase "is not found in virtually any ancient texts, nor is it mentioned, even as a footnote, in any modern translation or in Bruce Metzger's definitive 'A Textual Commentary' on the Greek New Testament, Second Edition (New York: United Bible Societies, 1994..." 7

The list goes on and on.
JED wrote:

The Bible says that in the last days there would arise scoffers saying "Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

So the best "evidence" that we're in the last days is you!
Oh wow that proves it. How much are you selling you book for?
free! Still to much.
Jed wrote:

first became aware of it when studying the temple. The architecture of the temple outlines the history of the world from the creation to the Kingdom Age.

I am saying it is a pattern you have projected on to the stories.
And you mistake your ideas for the Word of God.
Even if you quote the stuff in the Bible.
You forgot to call us swine.

[McCulloch]

In Hebrews 10:37: "for yet a little while, and he that shall come (Jesus) will come, and will not tarry..."!

He's been "tarrying" for nineteen centuries!

Where the New Testament was wrong

[McCulloch]

Is this close to what you are asserting? You must pray the will of God in order for prayer to be answered; you must believe the Bible in order to understand the Bible; and the is the Word of God, therefore it is true. This is called circular reasoning.