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Muslims worship Muhammad…

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OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua‘ in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua‘, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God’s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don’t let the title fool you — he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre–history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally–accepted views on Islamic ‘history’):
While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.


I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well–written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses:
Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped… The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as ‘blasphemy’ — surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).
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TrueReligion wrote:
No1 is praying to the prophet, wepray to Allah that "May Allah have peace and blessing upon Prophet",and in short its writen as (PBUH),
show me any vese in Quran or any Hadith, where its told muslims to worship Muhammad or any prophet if you are true, bring your proof now.
And that is act of worship for the Prophet. End of story. It doesn't say that you say Mohammed is god, but he certainly is in an exaulted position.
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Scotracer wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
FinalEnigma wrote:
TrueReligion wrote: Maybe you are mistaking muslims as of Jews, who left worshiping God, and started worshiping Judas, dats y its Judaism
That's a joke, right?

Its sometimes hard to tell. the whole "Can't make a parody of fundamentalism that someone won't think is the truth" thing.
Tell me if its wrong, from where did Judaism came? is the word "Jew" or Judaism in the holy books of so called Jews? comewith logic and answer, rather thn blaming others, show something for yourself, rather thn neglecting your part, and throwing stones on others, it just shows that the argument placed on you is correct.
Wow just when I thought your false claims couldn't get any weirder...
Judaism (from the Latin Iudaismus, derived from the Greek Ioudaïsmos, and ultimately from the Hebrew יהודה, Yehudah, "Judah"; in Hebrew: יַהֲדוּת, Yahadut)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism

Why would it be named after Judas, who was a character in the New Testament - not part of the Jewish scriptures? :lol: :|
I'm not talking about Judas of NT, who hanged himself, I'am talking about the Judaism, the tribe of Judah.
If you know better, tell me the roots of Jews? did Moses made the religion named as Jews or Judaism?

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FinalEnigma wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
FinalEnigma wrote:
TrueReligion wrote: Maybe you are mistaking muslims as of Jews, who left worshiping God, and started worshiping Judas, dats y its Judaism
That's a joke, right?

Its sometimes hard to tell. the whole "Can't make a parody of fundamentalism that someone won't think is the truth" thing.
Tell me if its wrong, from where did Judaism came? is the word "Jew" or Judaism in the holy books of so called Jews? comewith logic and answer, rather thn blaming others, show something for yourself, rather thn neglecting your part, and throwing stones on others, it just shows that the argument placed on you is correct.
Umm, no.

Not after a hello like that.

I honestly couldn't tell whether you were joking or not. I'm bad with that, and on top of that, you are ESL, so I am automatically more cautious of making assumptions about your meaning.
Come up with an answer rather thn making comments on me, it just shows you dont have any answer for it.

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goat wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
No1 is praying to the prophet, wepray to Allah that "May Allah have peace and blessing upon Prophet",and in short its writen as (PBUH),
show me any vese in Quran or any Hadith, where its told muslims to worship Muhammad or any prophet if you are true, bring your proof now.
And that is act of worship for the Prophet. End of story. It doesn't say that you say Mohammed is god, but he certainly is in an exaulted position.

In England they say that "God Save the Queen",
In US they say "God save America"

Does this look worship to you? your statements are without any evidence or logic Goat, didnt expect this from you dear

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Your knowledge of black water is not much dear, wonder if you dont know wat are tha targets or Black-Water and what they are doing in Iraq,Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Read sometime the agenda of Black-Water, you will know what they are working for in real.

http://www.blackwaterwatch.net/

Read also :- Blackwater accused of murder in 'crusade to eliminate Muslims', by 2 -ex-black-water employees
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 740735.ece
Yep, you showed that they are a bunch of killers, but then again I never challenged that, now how about you show them forcefully converting people as you claimed. Let me guess you will suddenly want to stay on topic after you can not support your accusation.

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TrueReligion wrote:
FinalEnigma wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
FinalEnigma wrote:
TrueReligion wrote: Maybe you are mistaking muslims as of Jews, who left worshiping God, and started worshiping Judas, dats y its Judaism
That's a joke, right?

Its sometimes hard to tell. the whole "Can't make a parody of fundamentalism that someone won't think is the truth" thing.
Tell me if its wrong, from where did Judaism came? is the word "Jew" or Judaism in the holy books of so called Jews? comewith logic and answer, rather thn blaming others, show something for yourself, rather thn neglecting your part, and throwing stones on others, it just shows that the argument placed on you is correct.
Umm, no.

Not after a hello like that.

I honestly couldn't tell whether you were joking or not. I'm bad with that, and on top of that, you are ESL, so I am automatically more cautious of making assumptions about your meaning.
Come up with an answer rather thn making comments on me, it just shows you dont have any answer for it.
Ask me civilly and I might.

Comments on you? the ESL part? If that is offensive I apologize, but English is not your first language, correct?
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TrueReligion wrote:
goat wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
No1 is praying to the prophet, wepray to Allah that "May Allah have peace and blessing upon Prophet",and in short its writen as (PBUH),
show me any vese in Quran or any Hadith, where its told muslims to worship Muhammad or any prophet if you are true, bring your proof now.
And that is act of worship for the Prophet. End of story. It doesn't say that you say Mohammed is god, but he certainly is in an exaulted position.

In England they say that "God Save the Queen",
In US they say "God save America"

Does this look worship to you? your statements are without any evidence or logic Goat, didnt expect this from you dear
The difference being here in the UK barely anyone cares about religion any more. If you removed the "God save" out of it, you wouldn't get much resistance from the populous.
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Wyvern wrote:
Your knowledge of black water is not much dear, wonder if you dont know wat are tha targets or Black-Water and what they are doing in Iraq,Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Read sometime the agenda of Black-Water, you will know what they are working for in real.

http://www.blackwaterwatch.net/

Read also :- Blackwater accused of murder in 'crusade to eliminate Muslims', by 2 -ex-black-water employees
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 740735.ece
Yep, you showed that they are a bunch of killers, but then again I never challenged that, now how about you show them forcefully converting people as you claimed. Let me guess you will suddenly want to stay on topic after you can not support your accusation.
Did I said they are converting by force? I said there agenda is to spread christianity by force. can;t you see the difference?

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FinalEnigma wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
FinalEnigma wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
FinalEnigma wrote:
TrueReligion wrote: Maybe you are mistaking muslims as of Jews, who left worshiping God, and started worshiping Judas, dats y its Judaism
That's a joke, right?

Its sometimes hard to tell. the whole "Can't make a parody of fundamentalism that someone won't think is the truth" thing.
Tell me if its wrong, from where did Judaism came? is the word "Jew" or Judaism in the holy books of so called Jews? comewith logic and answer, rather thn blaming others, show something for yourself, rather thn neglecting your part, and throwing stones on others, it just shows that the argument placed on you is correct.
Umm, no.

Not after a hello like that.

I honestly couldn't tell whether you were joking or not. I'm bad with that, and on top of that, you are ESL, so I am automatically more cautious of making assumptions about your meaning.
Come up with an answer rather thn making comments on me, it just shows you dont have any answer for it.
Ask me civilly and I might.

Comments on you? the ESL part? If that is offensive I apologize, but English is not your first language, correct?
Im not talking about offense or anything, I'am asking about your comment, do you think I stated wrong that Israelis came from Juda tribe.?

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Scotracer wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
goat wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
No1 is praying to the prophet, wepray to Allah that "May Allah have peace and blessing upon Prophet",and in short its writen as (PBUH),
show me any vese in Quran or any Hadith, where its told muslims to worship Muhammad or any prophet if you are true, bring your proof now.
And that is act of worship for the Prophet. End of story. It doesn't say that you say Mohammed is god, but he certainly is in an exaulted position.

In England they say that "God Save the Queen",
In US they say "God save America"

Does this look worship to you? your statements are without any evidence or logic Goat, didnt expect this from you dear
The difference being here in the UK barely anyone cares about religion any more. If you removed the "God save" out of it, you wouldn't get much resistance from the populous.
It does;nt matter here what in UK they care about, the thing is that saying like this make some1 worshiping any1?

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