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Baptist Church Excludes Democrats

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http://www.wlos.com/

I don't get it. Didn't Jesus ply his trade among tax collectors, prostitutes, and other "sinners"?
East Waynesville Baptist asked nine members to leave. Now 40 more have left the church in protest. Former members say Pastor Chan Chandler gave them the ultimatum, saying if they didn't support George Bush, they should resign or repent. The minister declined an interview with News 13. But he did say "the actions were not politically motivated." There are questions about whether the bi-laws were followed when the members were thrown out.
So my question for debate: Should the East Waynesville Baptist Church lose its tax-exempt status?

I say they should, since the pastor has turned the church into an arm of the Republican party.
"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."

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Bernee,

http://www.laavenue.com/SealLA.htm

The Goddess Pomona-- the goddess of gardens and fruit trees -- is holding in her arms a sheaf of grain, an orange, a lemon, an avocado and a few grapes to represent Los Angeles County's agriculture.

She stands on the shore of the Pacific Ocean with the San Gabriel Mountains in her background.

The engineering instruments -- the triangle and the caliper -- relate to the industrial construction complex of our county and Los Angeles' vital contribution to the conquest of space.

The Spanish galleon is the San Salvador, which Cabrillo sailed into San Pedro Harbor on October 8, 1542.

The tuna represents the fishing industry of Los Angeles county and the championship cow is for the dairy industry. Pearlette is her name.

The Hollywood Bowl indicates the cultural activities, with the two stars representing our County's motion picture and television industry.

The cross represents the influence of the church and the missions of California.

Oil derricks are symbolic of the oil fields which were discovered on Signal Hill.

.The words "County of Los Angeles California" surround the seal.

(The County seal was designed by former Supervisor Kenneth Hahn, drawn by Millard Sheets and adopted by the Board of Supervisors March 1, 1957.)

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Steen is claiming that I am saying that Christians are doing something wrong and he has asked me to stop.

Like this thread topic, it revolves around Christians being able to support Democrats. They cannot, while the Democrats push their agenda of death and sexual deviance.

Christians are not doing anything but wanting their culture and religion not defamed, outlawed and insulted and denigrated by Democrat lawmakers and lawyers from the ACLU.

Steen is asking me not to claim that Christians are the wrongdoers. Huh?

I cannot understand why this bizaare tact is presented. That is like a child being molested, asked by his tormenter to not be so insultiing as to call his attacker a bad person.

The Christian is the child and the attacker is the ACLU and lawmakers that somehow think they are hiding their hatred of Christians behind legalizing sexual deviance to have a place of legitimacy alongside decency.

Opposing abortion is not tolerated and is classified as ignorance and bigotry and forcing others to live by Christian rules.

No it is not. Abortion is murder. If the empirical truth of what is inside a woman were taught in public schools, then everyone would see what is being sucked and chopped to pieces for the convenience of expelling an undesired child.

If sexual deviance were taught by presenting fact and not the myth perpetuated by "diversity" mind control, then normality would again rule the schools.

Christians are forced to endure what they see as offensive, and they are silenced when they speak up by law, and yet, no one else is.

Like in then case of North Carolina University, if Christianity and not Islam were forced on students to have to study, the cry of it would be fevered. And again the courts would silence the Christian.

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AlAyeti wrote:Bernee,

http://www.laavenue.com/SealLA.htm

The Goddess Pomona-- the goddess of gardens and fruit trees -- is holding in her arms a sheaf of grain, an orange, a lemon, an avocado and a few grapes to represent Los Angeles County's agriculture.
Wrong

Al the one you refer to is the old seal...the one with the cross AND Pomoma removed.

The new seal contains neither.

At its center... "The Native American woman represents the early inhabitants of the Los Angeles Basin, including the area we now call Los Angeles County"

and

"Mission San Gabriel, the first in Los Angeles County, represents the historic role of the missions in the settlement of the Los Angeles region."

Please check agaon.

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AlAyeti wrote:Steen is claiming that I am saying that Christians are doing something wrong and he has asked me to stop

Steen is asking me not to claim that Christians are the wrongdoers. Huh?.
Please quote where Steen, a christian himself, has done this.
AlAyeti wrote: Christians are not doing anything but wanting their culture and religion not defamed, outlawed and insulted and denigrated by Democrat lawmakers and lawyers from the ACLU.
Pleae show law where christianity, by name, has been outlawed.
You cannot, because it hasn't
AlAyeti wrote: Opposing abortion is not tolerated and is classified as ignorance and bigotry and forcing others to live by Christian rules.
You can choose to oppose abortion al you like. What you cannot do is refuse others to make their own choice
AlAyeti wrote: Christians are forced to endure what they see as offensive, and they are silenced when they speak up by law, and yet, no one else is.
Christians. like all others, have a cloice to listen or not. If you don't agree with what you are being told, do not listen.

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AlAyeti wrote:Steen is claiming that I am saying that Christians are doing something wrong and he has asked me to stop.
I am saying that when you claim that hate crime legislation is directed at Christians, that you are saying that Christinas commit hate crimes.
Like this thread topic, it revolves around Christians being able to support Democrats. They cannot, while the Democrats push their agenda of death and sexual deviance.
Your absolutist "because I say so" claim is false.
Christians are not doing anything but wanting their culture and religion not defamed, outlawed and insulted and denigrated by Democrat lawmakers and lawyers from the ACLU.
Your absolutist "because I say so" claim is false.
Steen is asking me not to claim that Christians are the wrongdoers. Huh?
Because you insist that Christians commit hate crimes.
I cannot understand why this bizaare tact is presented. That is like a child being molested, asked by his tormenter to not be so insultiing as to call his attacker a bad person.
Your absolutist "because I say so" claim is false.
The Christian is the child and the attacker is the ACLU and lawmakers that somehow think they are hiding their hatred of Christians behind legalizing sexual deviance to have a place of legitimacy alongside decency.
Your absolutist "because I say so" claim is false.
Opposing abortion is not tolerated and is classified as ignorance and bigotry and forcing others to live by Christian rules.
Your absolutist "because I say so" claim is false.
No it is not. Abortion is murder.
Your absolutist "because I say so" claim is false.
If the empirical truth of what is inside a woman were taught in public schools, then everyone would see what is being sucked and chopped to pieces for the convenience of expelling an undesired child.
Your absolutist "because I say so" claim is false.
If sexual deviance were taught by presenting fact and not the myth perpetuated by "diversity" mind control, then normality would again rule the schools.
Your absolutist "because I say so" claim is false.
Christians are forced to endure what they see as offensive, and they are silenced when they speak up by law, and yet, no one else is.
Your absolutist "because I say so" claim is false.
Like in then case of North Carolina University, if Christianity and not Islam were forced on students to have to study, the cry of it would be fevered. And again the courts would silence the Christian.
Your absolutist "because I say so" claim is false.

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Bernee,

Thanks for the enlightenment.

Interesting that Christians were so tolerant of the Goddess Pomona for so many years but anti-Christians were so nasty about the tiny cross.

Bernee: "Please show law where christianity, by name, has been outlawed. You cannot, because it hasn't"

AA: That is absolutely disingenous. "Intelligent Design" is opposed being taught in public schools because evolutionists claim that it is Christianity in disguise. Even though the highly educated presenters of ID claim it is not. It's hilarious how hysterical ID is opposed. Even Gould couldn't stay out of the mix.

Christians do not have the same right as others in the public square by law. No rational person denies that laws like the one that attacked the cross on the Los Angeles flag are aimed to discriminate and harrass Christians. That is just not an honest position.

You take the same view of Christians who are "just" feeding the poor. You know all too well that there is another motive and agenda. Go try to whitewash and paint someone eles fence. Your not being logical.

The Pastor knew what Democrats are doing to Christians and exposed any supporters of Liberalism and out they went.

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Steen,

You respond by your personal absolutist opinion. Yet you do not have a biblical leg to oppose my points.

Please show me from the Bible where Jesus would support abortion for convenience and same-sex marriage, free needles to keep drug addicts addicted, taking money from honest hard working families to pay for Liberal-Progressive anti-Christian programs, teaching children about homosexuality and how to use condoms . . . etc., etc., etc..

Please show me from the Bible as we are "both Christians." Come let us reason together.

Democrats cannot share a yoke with a Christian and Christians cannot share a yoke with a Democrat. There can be no working together. Please show me where I and the Pastor are wrong. From the Bible.

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Please show me from the Bible where Jesus would support abortion for convenience and same-sex marriage, free needles to keep drug addicts addicted, taking money from honest hard working families to pay for Liberal-Progressive anti-Christian programs, teaching children about homosexuality and how to use condoms . . . etc., etc., etc..
Please show me where Jesus supports wearing clothes, brushing your teeth, using the bathroom, using a computer, learning to type, etc...
"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air...we need believing people."
[Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933]

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Bernee: "Christians. like all others, have a cloice to listen or not. If you don't agree with what you are being told, do not listen."

I am forced to decide why you are making this statement. It is demonstrably false.

Abortion and homosexuality and evolution are very offensive to Christians. In fact the peppered moth, Haekels nonsense about recapitulation and the picture of little monkeys becoming bigger monkeys becoming humans is still in the books too. Nebraska man was a hoax.

Christians are forced by law to have to not only listen to these things taught as truth, but are tested and have to pass by answering the questions only one way. There is no diversity sensitivity handed out to Christians.

A friend just called me a week ago about an assignment they were given in class. They were told to write a report "defending" same-sex marriage.

Completely offensive to a Christian. Imagine an assignment about why not eating pork is ignorance in a modern world? The Muslims in the class would probably have a cow about it.

Not an ideological or philosophical or medical treatise mind you, no. Imagine if the question was posed the other way? Defend marriage as it is "normally" and historically believed to mean and indeed the only way it has ever been thought of?

One homosexual getting wind of that and the school is picketed for a month and the ACLU is a calling.

Abortion is not taught scientifically in schools. If it were, the word murder would accompany the word abortion.

And evolution?

Just dare to utter a word against it and the Christian will suffer the most amazing "personal" attacks.

Look at the way you characterize missionaries and their rights in India?

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Nyril,

Please read the Gospels in what Christians refer to as the New Testament. You seem bright enough to not need me to explain the obvious. Jesus is an easy read.

Interesting, you an Atheist, believe something can come from nothing, and I am asked by you what Jesus would think about, nudity, good oral hygiene and education?

Please show me where everything came from?

Chaos is not as easy to read as the Gospels.

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