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Muslims worship Muhammad…

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OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua‘ in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua‘, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God’s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don’t let the title fool you — he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre–history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally–accepted views on Islamic ‘history’):
While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.


I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well–written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses:
Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped… The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as ‘blasphemy’ — surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).
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TrueReligion wrote:
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Talk to the topic please as every1 is doing, don'tkeep on giving statements anwhich are not related to the post.
Then I would say YOU should not make posts that are not on topic since all I did was respond to your post. You only abandoned your line when it was shown you were incorrect.
I didnt made, who made the post, ask that user, no further comments as its not relevnt to post
I have no idea what you are trying to say.

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Wyvern wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Talk to the topic please as every1 is doing, don'tkeep on giving statements anwhich are not related to the post.
Then I would say YOU should not make posts that are not on topic since all I did was respond to your post. You only abandoned your line when it was shown you were incorrect.
I didnt made, who made the post, ask that user, no further comments as its not relevnt to post
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Ok, let me state it in simple and easy english for you, do you have proof, that Muslims worship Muhammad? worship in the sense of praying,,

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Ok, let me state it in simple and easy english for you, do you have proof, that Muslims worship Muhammad? worship in the sense of praying
I never made any statement about this particular topic. Everything I have discussed in this thread was to refute your claim that terrorism was first performed by christians. Since you ask though it is quite evident that Mohammed is wordshipped in the same way Mary is in christianity. Althoug it should be said no christian has killed anyone for besmirching the name of Mary or even Jesus so if anything it goes beyond the simple veneration that is given to Mary. Strangely you say muslims put Jesus on the same level as Mohammed but not once has there been an incident of muslims rioting because of Jesus being portrayed in a bad light.

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Wyvern wrote:
Ok, let me state it in simple and easy english for you, do you have proof, that Muslims worship Muhammad? worship in the sense of praying
I never made any statement about this particular topic. Everything I have discussed in this thread was to refute your claim that terrorism was first performed by christians. Since you ask though it is quite evident that Mohammed is wordshipped in the same way Mary is in christianity. Althoug it should be said no christian has killed anyone for besmirching the name of Mary or even Jesus so if anything it goes beyond the simple veneration that is given to Mary. Strangely you say muslims put Jesus on the same level as Mohammed but not once has there been an incident of muslims rioting because of Jesus being portrayed in a bad light.
We are asking for worshiping, means praying, do christians pray Mary? is she God of Christians? dont bring other stuff in ths topic, as I made in CLEAR ENGLISH to you,

How many christians pray to Mary?

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We are asking for worshiping, means praying, do christians pray Mary? is she God of Christians? dont bring other stuff in ths topic, as I made in CLEAR ENGLISH to you,

How many christians pray to Mary?
Many christians pray to Mary and every time Mohammeds name is mentioned they make a small prayer(i.e. PBUH). Just because something isn't god doesn't mean you can't pray to it

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Wyvern wrote:
We are asking for worshiping, means praying, do christians pray Mary? is she God of Christians? dont bring other stuff in ths topic, as I made in CLEAR ENGLISH to you,

How many christians pray to Mary?
Many christians pray to Mary and every time Mohammeds name is mentioned they make a small prayer(i.e. PBUH). Just because something isn't god doesn't mean you can't pray to it
Only catholics pray to Mary, and that also is not from any old tradition, do protestants pray to Mary?

Its funny how you showed about Muhammad name coming and making small prayer (PBUH) :D , do you know what does it mean?

Muslims respect all the prophets, and whenever their names comes, muslims use (pbuh) which means, (Peace be Upon Him/her).
e.g Moses(Pbuh), Jesus (pbuh), Mary (pbuh), Muhammad (pbuh).

So where is your evidence that Muslims pray Muhammad? Muslims pray 5times a day, does that prayer is for Muhammad or for Allah(God)?

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TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
We are asking for worshiping, means praying, do christians pray Mary? is she God of Christians? dont bring other stuff in ths topic, as I made in CLEAR ENGLISH to you,

How many christians pray to Mary?
Many christians pray to Mary and every time Mohammeds name is mentioned they make a small prayer(i.e. PBUH). Just because something isn't god doesn't mean you can't pray to it
Only catholics pray to Mary, and that also is not from any old tradition, do protestants pray to Mary?

Its funny how you showed about Muhammad name coming and making small prayer (PBUH) :D , do you know what does it mean?

Muslims respect all the prophets, and whenever their names comes, muslims use (pbuh) which means, (Peace be Upon Him/her).
e.g Moses(Pbuh), Jesus (pbuh), Mary (pbuh), Muhammad (pbuh).

So where is your evidence that Muslims pray Muhammad? Muslims pray 5times a day, does that prayer is for Muhammad or for Allah(God)?
Heck,it is more than just a 'prayer' to Muhammad. Isn't the whole thing 'All praise ALlah and his prophet Muhammad'.

When people disrespect Muhammad, (in the eyes of Muslims),people get KILLED>
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TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
We are asking for worshiping, means praying, do christians pray Mary? is she God of Christians? dont bring other stuff in ths topic, as I made in CLEAR ENGLISH to you,

How many christians pray to Mary?
Many christians pray to Mary and every time Mohammeds name is mentioned they make a small prayer(i.e. PBUH). Just because something isn't god doesn't mean you can't pray to it
Only catholics pray to Mary, and that also is not from any old tradition, do protestants pray to Mary?

Its funny how you showed about Muhammad name coming and making small prayer (PBUH) :D , do you know what does it mean?

Muslims respect all the prophets, and whenever their names comes, muslims use (pbuh) which means, (Peace be Upon Him/her).
e.g Moses(Pbuh), Jesus (pbuh), Mary (pbuh), Muhammad (pbuh).

So where is your evidence that Muslims pray Muhammad? Muslims pray 5times a day, does that prayer is for Muhammad or for Allah(God)?
You do understand there are more catholics than muslims don't you? Every time you say Mohammeds name you make a small prayer, in fact anytime you say any of the prophets names you make the same small prayer wishing them peace.

You say you respect all the prophets but only when Mohammed is seen as being disrespected do people get hurt and or killed. Remember the worldwide islamic riots when those cartoons of mohammed were REPRINTED in a danish paper. Or how about the islamic man that stabbed a man in the heart because he made a film about mohammed? Can you name any equal actions from muslims when Jesus is disrespected?

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goat wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
We are asking for worshiping, means praying, do christians pray Mary? is she God of Christians? dont bring other stuff in ths topic, as I made in CLEAR ENGLISH to you,

How many christians pray to Mary?
Many christians pray to Mary and every time Mohammeds name is mentioned they make a small prayer(i.e. PBUH). Just because something isn't god doesn't mean you can't pray to it
Only catholics pray to Mary, and that also is not from any old tradition, do protestants pray to Mary?

Its funny how you showed about Muhammad name coming and making small prayer (PBUH) :D , do you know what does it mean?

Muslims respect all the prophets, and whenever their names comes, muslims use (pbuh) which means, (Peace be Upon Him/her).
e.g Moses(Pbuh), Jesus (pbuh), Mary (pbuh), Muhammad (pbuh).

So where is your evidence that Muslims pray Muhammad? Muslims pray 5times a day, does that prayer is for Muhammad or for Allah(God)?
Heck,it is more than just a 'prayer' to Muhammad. Isn't the whole thing 'All praise ALlah and his prophet Muhammad'.

You are making it easier for every1, as "All praises for Allah" is the main part, and secondry part is for prophet, whoever is the prophet of the nation, Israelis make for Moses,, people of Abraham say same thing for Abraham, etcetc.
Main prayer which every muslim recite is "Bismi-Allah I-Rahman i-Rahim"meaning "In the name of Allah, the most beneficent, most merciful", which every muslim pray before doing any work.


When people disrespect Muhammad, (in the eyes of Muslims),people get KILLED>
some1 who disrespect prophets, revenge taken for it , is not a sign of worship, its a respect shown.
If some1 abuse your mother or father, and you break the jaw or face of that guy, do we call this worshiping of your parents?

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Wyvern wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
We are asking for worshiping, means praying, do christians pray Mary? is she God of Christians? dont bring other stuff in ths topic, as I made in CLEAR ENGLISH to you,

How many christians pray to Mary?
Many christians pray to Mary and every time Mohammeds name is mentioned they make a small prayer(i.e. PBUH). Just because something isn't god doesn't mean you can't pray to it
Only catholics pray to Mary, and that also is not from any old tradition, do protestants pray to Mary?

Its funny how you showed about Muhammad name coming and making small prayer (PBUH) :D , do you know what does it mean?

Muslims respect all the prophets, and whenever their names comes, muslims use (pbuh) which means, (Peace be Upon Him/her).
e.g Moses(Pbuh), Jesus (pbuh), Mary (pbuh), Muhammad (pbuh).

So where is your evidence that Muslims pray Muhammad? Muslims pray 5times a day, does that prayer is for Muhammad or for Allah(God)?
You do understand there are more catholics than muslims don't you? Every time you say Mohammeds name you make a small prayer, in fact anytime you say any of the prophets names you make the same small prayer wishing them peace.

You say you respect all the prophets but only when Mohammed is seen as being disrespected do people get hurt and or killed. Remember the worldwide islamic riots when those cartoons of mohammed were REPRINTED in a danish paper. Or how about the islamic man that stabbed a man in the heart because he made a film about mohammed? Can you name any equal actions from muslims when Jesus is disrespected?
Do this seem to you as worship? killing for dis-respecting prophet is not worshiping that prophet.
Its among christian faith to make pictures and abuse Jesus, you mean people will start killing christians?
Ofcourse that cartoon in Danish newspaper have specific target to make muslims rash, and Denmark got severe punishment also for that, when Muslim countries boycott their products, and Denmark got big economic los.

But til now you havent shown any evidence or verse that Muslims worship/pray to Muhammad, talk always on post, not outside of post.

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