The Muslim Stance

[JoeyKnothead]

Its my understanding of Islam that it wants to 'take over' the world, making Islam the default religion for all. I ask these questions in a sincere effort to seek the truth, and I ask in an honest effort to clear the air.

Please forgive me if I'm in error, and I can't quote the Koran, I'm trying to get some clarification.

1- Does Islam seek to impose its brand of religion on the world?
2- Does Islam allow others to worship as they please, with no restrictions, taxes, or any other impediments?
3- Leave Israel out. Do NOT include it in this thread. Could Islam allow Jewish people to form their own communities? Again, we will NOT discuss Israel What I'm asking is could Islam accept a Jewish community to exist outside of any place that Islam considers holy?

4- I understand how delicate the Israel issue is, and I do NOT want to stir that nest up in this thread. If anyone wishes to discuss Israel start a different thread.

[TrueReligion]

The false name could be explained by the fact that Muslims kill people for saying anything against Islam.

Look at what happens to apostates, Theo van Gogh, Geert Wilders and Mohammad cartoonists-only death threats at this point.


What about christainity and Judaism? wats the penalty of apostasy? death or making apostate sit in lap and to be given candy?

Christianity
Main article: Apostasy in Christianity
See also: Apostata capiendo and Backslide
In addition to the Jewish tradition inherited through the Old Testament, Christian governments, sometimes with the approval of the Church, have punished both apostates and heretics individually and in campaigns such as the Inquisition and the Albigensian Crusade. The Byzantine Emperor Justinian I instituted the punishment of death for apostasy in the very first law of the Corpus Juris Civilis (Body of Civil Law), his code that formed a basis for several European countries' laws for many centuries.



Have you seen this information?

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/abrogation.htm

This information is from a site against Islam, every1 knows this, and the facts mention here are rejected even by many christian scholars and non-muslims, your information and sourceis not acceptable and is rejected.Bring some proper authenticated reference

As for the goal of Islam:
Regarding 2:193, the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, op cit, states:

Then Allah orders Muslims to kill the disbelievers "until there is no more Fitnah." According to Ibn Abbas and others, "Fitnah" means polytheism, "And religion (worship), is for Allah" meaning Allah’s religion should stand supreme and overshadowing the rest of the religions.]/B] In the Sahihayn, it is reported that the Prophet said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight the people till they say: "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and whoever says it will save his life and property from me except on breaking the law (rights and conditions for which he will be punished justly), and his accounts will be with Allah""

You are again refering out of context verse.let me provide the complete true detail,

Fight in the cause of Allah with those who fight against you, but do not exceed the
limits. Allah does not like transgressors.[190] Kill them wherever they confront you in
combat and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you. Though
killing is bad, creating mischief is worse than killing. Do not fight them within the
precincts of the Sacred Mosque unless they attack you there; but if they attack you,
put them to the sword; that is the punishment for such unbelievers.[191] If they cease
hostility, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.[192] Fight against them until there is
no more disorder and Allah’s supremacy is established. If they desist, let there be no
hostility except against the oppressors.[193]



Now you see wat you do?you take out of context verse, which is a weak practice in debate, dont forget there is another person also in debate who can point out your mistakes. so be careful next time when providing evidence

[van]

The Gospel and Jesus do not condone the killing of apostates.

Mohammad did and the Quran does:

An apostate is considered a hypocrite-
4.89 They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

9.67 The Hypocrites, men and women, (have an understanding) with each other: They enjoin evil, and forbid what is just, and are close with their hands. They have forgotten Allah; so He hath forgotten them. Verily the Hypocrites are rebellious and perverse.

. . No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection." (Bukhari)

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas [like-for-like punishment] for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." (Bukari)

[TrueReligion]

The Gospel and Jesus do not condone the killing of apostates.

Mohammad did and the Quran does:

An apostate is considered a hypocrite-
4.89 They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

9.67 The Hypocrites, men and women, (have an understanding) with each other: They enjoin evil, and forbid what is just, and are close with their hands. They have forgotten Allah; so He hath forgotten them. Verily the Hypocrites are rebellious and perverse.

. . No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection." (Bukhari)

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas [like-for-like punishment] for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." (Bukari)

All those verse are related to persons, who at the time of Islam in Mecca, were hypocrates, and join Islam as a spy of pagans, to bring mischief in Islam, and this is accepted by all non-muslim scholars, Amazingly yuou dont know this

Beside, you are wrong about Gospel and OT, there are many verses, for killing of Apostate in Bible and christianity.

Instant Death to Apostates (those who desert their religion) in the Bible's Old and New Testaments:

The sections of this article are:

1- In the Old and New Testaments (Jesus' and Paul's commands)
2- What about the NT verses of "love your enemy"?
3- Paul and the Christians calling GOD Almighty and Jesus Christ, stupid!
4- Conclusion.


It is often believed that the Bible gives absolute religious freedom to everyone. Most of the Christians in the United States and the the West think that the freedom of choice and speech that they have comes originally from the Bible. Let's just see how accurate this myth really is.





1- In the Old and New Testaments:

In the Old Testament:

Let us look at Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Also let us look at Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

This verse was sent to me by Yusif 65; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him: 2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."



In the New Testament by Jesus and Paul:

Jesus:

Note: Please pay close attention to my red emphasis below.

Let us look at what Jesus said in the New Testament in context:

Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"
3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,'
6he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"

There are few points to notice here:

1- Notice in verse 3, Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for breaking the Commands of GOD Almighty.

2- In verse 4, he used the cursing of parents' punishment as an example. The context, however, is not limited to just this example!

3- In verses 7,8 and 9, he used a quote from the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament, to further prove that they are not following the Commands of GOD Almighty.

4- Jesus clearly had a problem with them not following the punishment of death for cursing the parents or any punishment of death that is commanded in the OT for this matter! In fact, Jesus himself said:

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3)"


This clearly means:

1- Jesus absolutely approved and commanded the following of the OT's Laws regarding apostates!

2- The fact he commanded death penalty for cursing the parents clearly proves that he also approves of killing apostates as clearly shown in the OT verses above!



There is no question that Jesus approved of killing apostates, exactly as killing those who mistreat their parents!



Paul:

Let us look at Romans 1:20-32 (from the New Testament) "20. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23. and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30. slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31. they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."



Also psychics must be put to death. Let us look at Leviticus 20:27 "And as for a man or woman in whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of prediction, they should be put to death without fail. They should pelt them to death with stones. Their own blood is upon them."

The above verses clearly show that the Bible doesn't tolerate apostates. Jesus did honor the Old Testament's laws and ordered his followers to follow the Old Testament until the day of Judgment:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

Christians always say as an excuse that an Old Testament law does not apply to them. According to Matthew 5:17-18, we clearly see that Jesus honored the Old Testament, and forced Christians to follow the unmodified laws of it that have not been replaced by newer ones in the New Testament. The Old Testament as we clearly see above orders the immediate killing of apostates/renegades. The New Testament as we also clearly see above, orders the death of the apostates/renegades. And according to Matthew 5:17-18 above, apostates/renegades in Christianity must be put to death simultaneously.

By the way, please visit: Christians are obligated to follow the Old Testament.


Also, during the middle centuries when the Church used to rule over everything, the minority Christians and the Christian Scientists were slaughtered and put to death by the majority ones just because the Priests and Ministers of the High Church decided to call as "heresies" or "apostates". The Bible does give clear authority to the Priests and Ministers to call someone an apostate:

"The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment. (1 Corinthians 2:15)"





2- What about the NT verses of "love your enemy"?

Let us look at what Jesus said:

Matthew 5:42-44
43 "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
47 And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Some Christians argued that Jesus' commands about loving your enemy abrogated the Old Testament's Laws of punishment. Like much of Christianity, this is all a bunch of man-made gibberish nonsense, because

1- We already saw how Jesus in Matthew 15:1-9, above, praised the Old Testament's Laws of punishment, and he even rebuked those who didn't follow those Laws.

2- The verses of Matthew 5:42-44, above, do not abrogate Jesus' praises of and demands to follow the Old Testament's Laws of punishment, because they simply talk about one's treatment to his/her enemy. The punishment of the guilty has nothing to do with these verses, because these verses are talking about your personal relationship with people and how you should deal with those who have animosity toward you, while the OT's Laws of punishment are talking about punishing someone for disobeying GOD Almighty's Divine Commands.

If anything, this argument that I encountered proves that Christians are totally confused and their faith is a false religion of man's alterations, corruption and wishful-thinking. Christianity is a religion that bows down to men's, churchs' and ruling governments' laws because it is too vague, too lacking, too open and too confusing. It basically can be interpreted anyway a person wishes, which is why it has no standards, and hence no real morality. This is certainly not a Divine Religion from GOD Almighty! It is a man-made garbage, and its self-refuting and self-contradicting book is full of historical errors, ample contradictions, and man's alterations and injections. That is why almost all of its followers are pornified whores, which, ironically, they are very proud of it too:

Latest Study: 1 in 4 Christian teen girls has an STD - More Christian profanity exposed world-wide!

95% of Americans had premarital sex according to a new study!

Why are Christians so notorious in sinning throughout the world? What is the real secret behind it?

X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.

Incestual fantasies are allowed and praised in the gospel of porn (bible). See how the Bible sings praises about sisters fantasizing about their brothers!




3- Paul and Christians calling GOD Almighty and Jesus Christ, stupid:

In regards to Paul LITERALLY(!!!) calling GOD Almighty "stupid" and "weak", please visit: The stupidity of GOD is smarter than all of us?! to see his own words for yourself.

Also, visit: Jesus' blasphemy and hypocrisy in the New Testament for only prostrating once to GOD Almighty during his most desperate times.

Also visit: Paul contradicted GOD Almighty in the Old Testament by calling disbelievers "holy".

As for Christians on Jesus Christ and more of Paul's lies and blasphemies against GOD Almighty, let us look at the following comic pictures and blasphemous verses from Paul and his Christians:

1 Corinthians 11:14
13 Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?
14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has LONG HAIR, it is a disgrace to him,





Aside from the hilarious comedy and ludicrous contradiction that we see between these verses and the modern-day portraits and real idols of Jesus Christ having a very long and disgraceful (according to Paul) hair, but the more serious and real blasphemy that I'd like to point out from the man-made and man-altered, gospel of porn [2], is this:

1- If GOD Almighty wanted to prohibit men from having long hairs, then all He needed to do is say it, because humans can never all agree on one thing. Men having long hair is quite common among christian men today throughout the ENTIRE WORLD! So what judgment are we talking about?! GOD Almighty doesn't need to take our opinions for anything! All He needs to do is give the Command and we must obey.

2- What is this judging for ourselves that Paul is talking about? Are we now going to take the judgment of the local and isolated people of his time along with his useless and irrelevant opinion, 2000 years ago, and apply it to all of christianity's followers in all times, all ages and all places? If so, then his statement about "judge for yourselves" is clearly wrong, because again, humans never ALL agree on one thing. My judgment about something is considered completely off by another person from another culture. And my judgment is irrelevant! That is why we have GOD Almighty who Judges and Passes Judgment about all things. The true Believers are to follow the Commands without objections once the Truth is made clear to them. And ironically, again, men having long hairs among the christians WORLD-WIDE is vastly acceptable today -- so much that even their pagan idols of Jesus portray him as a male with a very long (and disgraceful) hair.

3- If these were truly GOD Almighty's Holy Words and not man's lies, then do you honestly think that GOD Almighty would really and truly Command local and isolated people to judge for themselves on behalf of all of the Believers in all times, all ages and all places?? I mean, yes, we do need common sense in us, and yes, we are not brainless robots, but to pass down a Divine Law upon the Believers that is 100% controlled by and dependent upon few people's erroneous judgment and sinful nature is an impossible thing. Most certainly, these comic portraits and the real idols that exist in the world today about Jesus having a long hair are a simple, yet very powerful, proof that GOD Almighty would not and could not have left His Divine Truth be judged by us.

4- If Jesus did indeed have long hair as the polytheist trinitarian pagans today seem to unanimously agree on, then this would only serve to further prove, again and again, that Paul was a false liar, because since he wasn't a disciple of Jesus and never met Jesus Christ in person while Jesus was on earth, and he claimed that Jesus appeared to him while he was on his way to Damascus, then his ignorance about Jesus having long hair clearly and indisputably proves that he never met Jesus in person! So the dumb christians' pictures and pagan-idols of Jesus being a male with long hair only serve to disprove Paul! The more portraits and idols they produce the more they prove that Paul was a liar. I'll let the doomed infidels sort this mess out for themselves.

Anyway, in regards to points 1, 2 and 3 above, there is certainly no question that the man-made and man-altered, gospel of porn [2], is indeed a false book, and christianity is a false paganistic religion that is completely dependent and based on man's mere rules, wishful thinking, judgment and corruption. It is a false religion that is too lacking, too vague and too absurd!



And ever since when GOD Almighty cared about us judging His Truth?

Does the GOD Almighty of the Mosaic Law really sound like One who cares about our opinions in these Verses?

Exodus 21:15
15 Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death.

Exodus 21:16
16 Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death.

Exodus 21:17
17 Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

Exodus 22:19
19 Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death.

Exodus 31:14
14 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.

Exodus 31:15
15 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.

Leviticus 20:12
12 'If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:13
13 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

And on and on and on of "must be put to death" Laws in the Mosaic Law. Here is how Paul, the charlatan, judged these Laws:

Galatians 3:13
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Yet, Jesus said with his own mouth according to the New Testament:

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

And Jesus, as we saw above, even rebuked those who didn't follow the Law, the same Law that Paul considered a CURSE!

And as to Paul's lies about Jesus died and became a curse, not only Jesus never got crucified or put on the cross according to Islam, but also even according to Jesus' own disciples' original writings that were found in Palestine, Egypt and elsewhere declare that GOD Almighty saved Jesus from the crucifixion and death. Not only that, but even the Old Testament clearly prophesied that GOD Almighty will save His servant from the death and will raise up.





4- Conclusion:

The Bible in both the Old and New Testaments command the killing of apostates, and those who disagree need to produce their proofs.

After all, the Medieval Churches during the middle centuries, who used to persecute minority Christians and Jews, were not deviants after all! They were simply following their bible; the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine".

As to the lies of christianity and the countless corruptions and alterations in the bible, embrace Islam, the only True Divine Religion from GOD Almighty that remained unspoiled in Its true and original form and you'll be saved. Allah Almighty Himself Promised that He will protect the Glorious Quran from man's tampering, alteration and corruption:

"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption). (The Noble Quran, 15:9)"

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

Ahhh… The old tu quoque routine. A mind–numbingly boring old routine used time and time again by muslims. Are you trying to say that because you have copied & pasted some article showing that Christians and Jews USED TO execute apostates, that this makes it ok for muslims to do so now?

[TrueReligion]

Ahhh… The old tu quoque routine. A mind–numbingly boring old routine used time and time again by muslims. Are you trying to say that because you have copied & pasted some article showing that Christians and Jews USED TO execute apostates, that this makes it ok for muslims to do so now?

The reason for muslims putting death to apostate is given already by me, only if some1 bring mischeifto Islam, otherwise there are people who left Islam, but no1 ordered to put them to death.

[Goat]

Ahhh… The old tu quoque routine. A mind–numbingly boring old routine used time and time again by muslims. Are you trying to say that because you have copied & pasted some article showing that Christians and Jews USED TO execute apostates, that this makes it ok for muslims to do so now?

The reason for muslims putting death to apostate is given already by me, only if some1 bring mischeifto Islam, otherwise there are people who left Islam, but no1 ordered to put them to death.

That does not agree with the sources I see. such as

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_i ... r_apostasy


In Islamic law (sharia), the consensus view is that a male apostate must be put to death unless he suffers from a mental disorder or converted under duress, for example, due to an imminent danger of being killed. A female apostate must be either executed, according to Shafi'i, Maliki, and Hanbali schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh), or imprisoned until she reverts to Islam as advocated by the Sunni Hanafi school and by Shi'a scholars.[19]

A minority of medieval Islamic jurists, notably the Hanafi jurist Sarakhsi (d. 1090),[5] Maliki jurist Ibn al-Walid al-Baji (d. 494 AH) and Hanbali jurist Ibn Taymiyyah (1263-1328), held that apostasy carries no legal punishment.[6] Some contemporary Islamic Shafi`i jurists, such as the Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa,[7][8] some Shi'a jurists such as Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri,[9] and some jurists, scholars and writers of other Islamic sects, have argued or issued fatwas that either the changing of religion is not punishable or is only punishable under restricted circumstances, but these minority opinions have not found broad acceptance among the majority of Islamic scholars.[10][11][12][13]

[TrueReligion]

Ahhh… The old tu quoque routine. A mind–numbingly boring old routine used time and time again by muslims. Are you trying to say that because you have copied & pasted some article showing that Christians and Jews USED TO execute apostates, that this makes it ok for muslims to do so now?

The reason for muslims putting death to apostate is given already by me, only if some1 bring mischeifto Islam, otherwise there are people who left Islam, but no1 ordered to put them to death.

That does not agree with the sources I see. such as

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_i ... r_apostasy


In Islamic law (sharia), the consensus view is that a male apostate must be put to death unless he suffers from a mental disorder or converted under duress, for example, due to an imminent danger of being killed. A female apostate must be either executed, according to Shafi'i, Maliki, and Hanbali schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh), or imprisoned until she reverts to Islam as advocated by the Sunni Hanafi school and by Shi'a scholars.[19]

A minority of medieval Islamic jurists, notably the Hanafi jurist Sarakhsi (d. 1090),[5] Maliki jurist Ibn al-Walid al-Baji (d. 494 AH) and Hanbali jurist Ibn Taymiyyah (1263-1328), held that apostasy carries no legal punishment.[6] Some contemporary Islamic Shafi`i jurists, such as the Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa,[7][8] some Shi'a jurists such as Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri,[9] and some jurists, scholars and writers of other Islamic sects, have argued or issued fatwas that either the changing of religion is not punishable or is only punishable under restricted circumstances, but these minority opinions have not found broad acceptance among the majority of Islamic scholars.[10][11][12][13]

Punishment for apostasy is worst in Judaism and Christianity, atleast in Islam, there is only valid if the person do mischeif and join enemy to bring harm to Islam,
But as quoted in above post, its started in Judaism

Judaism
Main article: Jews in apostasy
See also: yetzia bish'eila
The term apostasy is also derived from Greek ἀποστάτης, meaning "political rebel," as applied to rebellion against God, its law and the faith of Israel (in Hebrew מרד) in the Hebrew Bible.

Other expressions for apostate as used by rabbinical scholars are "mumar" (מומר, literally "the one that is changed") and "poshea yisrael" (פושע ישר�ל, literally, "transgressor of Israel"), or simply "kofer" (כופר, literally "denier" and heretic).

The Torah states:

Deuteronomy 13:6-10:

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.[13]
The prophetic writings of Isaiah and Jeremiah provide many examples of defections of faith found among the Israelites (e.g., Isaiah 1:2-4 or Jeremiah 2:19), as do the writings of the prophet Ezekiel (e.g., Ezekiel 16 or 18). Israelite kings were often guilty of apostasy, examples including Ahab (I Kings 16:30-33), Ahaziah (I Kings 22:51-53), Jehoram (2 Chronicles 21:6,10), Ahaz (2 Chronicles 28:1-4), or Amon (2 Chronicles 33:21-23) among others. (Amon's father Manasseh was also apostate for many years of his long reign, although towards the end of his life he renounced his apostasy. Cf. 2 Chronicles 33:1-19)

In the Talmud, Elisha Ben Abuyah (known as Aḥer) is singled out as an apostate and epicurean by the Pharisees.

During the Spanish inquisition, a systematic conversion of Jews to Christianity took place, some of which under threats and force. These cases of apostasy provoked the indignation of the Jewish communities in Spain.

Several notorious Inquisitors, such as Tomás de Torquemada, and Don Francisco the archbishop of Coria, were descendants of apostate Jews. Other apostates who made their mark in history by attempting the conversion of other Jews in the 1300s include Juan de Valladolid and Astruc Remoch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy#Judaism

Also read,

Judaism
In the Hebrew Bible, apostasy is equated with rebellion against God, His Law, and and worshiping any god other than the Hebrew deity, Yahweh. The penalty for apostasy in Deuteronomy 13:1-10 is death.

That prophet or that dreamer (who leads you to worship of other gods) shall be put to death, because… he has preached apostasy from The Lord your God… If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or your intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods… do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him… You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God.


Priests "find" the Book of the Law, believed by many to be Deuteronomy, the Temple of Jerusalem (1 Kings 22).However, there are few instances when this harsh attitude seems to have been enforced. Indeed, the constant reminders of the prophets and biblical writers warning against idolatry demonstrate that Deuteronomy's standard was rarely enforced as the "law of the land." Indeed, modern scholars believe that the Book of Deuteronomy did not actually originate in the time of Moses, as is traditionally believed, but in the time of King Josiah of Judah in the late seventh century B.C.E.

There are several examples where strict punishment was indeed given to those who caused the Israelites to violate their faith in Yahweh alone. When the Hebrews were about to enter Canaan, Israelite men were reportedly led to worship the local deity Baal-Peor by Moabite and Midianite women. One of these men was slain together with his Midianite wife by the priest Phinehas (Numbers 25). The Midianite crime was considered so serious that Moses launched a war of extermination against them.


The Death of Jezebel by Gustave Doré.Perhaps the most remembered story of Israelite apostasy is that brought on by Jezebel, the wife of King Ahab. Jezebel herself was not an Israelite, but was originally a princess of the coastal Phoenician city of Tyre, in modern day Lebanon. When Jezebel married Ahab (who ruled c. 874–853 B.C.E.), she persuaded him to introduce Baal worship. The prophets Elijah and Elisha condemned this practice as a sign of being unfaithful to Yahweh.

Elijah ordered 450 prophets of Baal slain after they had lost a famous contest with him on Mount Carmel. Elijah's successor, Elisha, caused the military commander Jehu to be anointed as king of Israel while Ahab's son, Jehoram, was still on the throne. Jehu himself killed Jehoram and then went to Jezebel's palace and ordered her slain as well.

The Bible speaks of other notable defections from the Jewish faith: For example, Isaiah 1:2-4, or Jeremiah 2:19, and Ezekiel 16. Indeed, the Bible is replete with examples of Israelites worshiping other gods than Yahweh and being punished for this by God, though rarely by other Israelites. Israelite kings were often judged guilty of apostasy. Examples include Ahab (I Kings 16:30-33), Ahaziah (I Kings 22:51-53), Jehoram (2 Chronicles 21:6,10), Ahaz (2 Chronicles 28:1-4), Amon (2 Chronicles 33:21-23), and others. Even as great a king as Solomon is judged guilty of honoring other gods: "On a hill east of Jerusalem, Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the detestable god of Moab, and for Molech the detestable god of the Ammonites" (1 Kings 11:7).

However, as late as the time of the prophet Jeremiah in the early sixth century B.C.E., the worship of Canaanite gods continued unabated, as he complained:

Do you not see what they are doing in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger (Jeremiah 7:17-18).

According to biblical tradition, the apostasy of the Israelites led to destruction of the northern Kingdom of Israel in 722-821 B.C.E., and the exile of the citizens of the southern Kingdom of Judah to Babylon, as well as the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem in 586 B.C.E. After the Babylonian Exile, the Deuteronomic code seems to have been taken more seriously, but examples of its enforcement are scanty at best. Periods of apostasy were evident, however. The most well known of these came during the administration of the Seleucid Greek ruler Aniochus IV Epiphanes in the second century C.E., who virtually banned Jewish worship and forced many Jews to worship at pagan altars until the Macabeean revolt established an independent Jewish dynasty.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent ... sy#Judaism

[otseng]

Beside, you are wrong about Gospel and OT, there are many verses, for killing of Apostate in Bible and christianity.

Moderator comment:

Per the rules, when you quote something, you'll need to provide the source.

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[Goat]

Ahhh… The old tu quoque routine. A mind–numbingly boring old routine used time and time again by muslims. Are you trying to say that because you have copied & pasted some article showing that Christians and Jews USED TO execute apostates, that this makes it ok for muslims to do so now?

The reason for muslims putting death to apostate is given already by me, only if some1 bring mischeifto Islam, otherwise there are people who left Islam, but no1 ordered to put them to death.

That does not agree with the sources I see. such as

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_i ... r_apostasy


In Islamic law (sharia), the consensus view is that a male apostate must be put to death unless he suffers from a mental disorder or converted under duress, for example, due to an imminent danger of being killed. A female apostate must be either executed, according to Shafi'i, Maliki, and Hanbali schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh), or imprisoned until she reverts to Islam as advocated by the Sunni Hanafi school and by Shi'a scholars.[19]

A minority of medieval Islamic jurists, notably the Hanafi jurist Sarakhsi (d. 1090),[5] Maliki jurist Ibn al-Walid al-Baji (d. 494 AH) and Hanbali jurist Ibn Taymiyyah (1263-1328), held that apostasy carries no legal punishment.[6] Some contemporary Islamic Shafi`i jurists, such as the Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa,[7][8] some Shi'a jurists such as Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri,[9] and some jurists, scholars and writers of other Islamic sects, have argued or issued fatwas that either the changing of religion is not punishable or is only punishable under restricted circumstances, but these minority opinions have not found broad acceptance among the majority of Islamic scholars.[10][11][12][13]

Punishment for apostasy is worst in Judaism and Christianity, atleast in Islam, there is only valid if the person do mischeif and join enemy to bring harm to Islam,
But as quoted in above post, its started in Judaism

Judaism
Main article: Jews in apostasy
See also: yetzia bish'eila
The term apostasy is also derived from Greek ἀποστάτης, meaning "political rebel," as applied to rebellion against God, its law and the faith of Israel (in Hebrew מרד) in the Hebrew Bible.

Other expressions for apostate as used by rabbinical scholars are "mumar" (מומר, literally "the one that is changed") and "poshea yisrael" (פושע ישר�ל, literally, "transgressor of Israel"), or simply "kofer" (כופר, literally "denier" and heretic).

The Torah states:

Deuteronomy 13:6-10:

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.[13]
The prophetic writings of Isaiah and Jeremiah provide many examples of defections of faith found among the Israelites (e.g., Isaiah 1:2-4 or Jeremiah 2:19), as do the writings of the prophet Ezekiel (e.g., Ezekiel 16 or 18). Israelite kings were often guilty of apostasy, examples including Ahab (I Kings 16:30-33), Ahaziah (I Kings 22:51-53), Jehoram (2 Chronicles 21:6,10), Ahaz (2 Chronicles 28:1-4), or Amon (2 Chronicles 33:21-23) among others. (Amon's father Manasseh was also apostate for many years of his long reign, although towards the end of his life he renounced his apostasy. Cf. 2 Chronicles 33:1-19)

In the Talmud, Elisha Ben Abuyah (known as Aḥer) is singled out as an apostate and epicurean by the Pharisees.

During the Spanish inquisition, a systematic conversion of Jews to Christianity took place, some of which under threats and force. These cases of apostasy provoked the indignation of the Jewish communities in Spain.

Several notorious Inquisitors, such as Tomás de Torquemada, and Don Francisco the archbishop of Coria, were descendants of apostate Jews. Other apostates who made their mark in history by attempting the conversion of other Jews in the 1300s include Juan de Valladolid and Astruc Remoch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy#Judaism

Also read,

Judaism
In the Hebrew Bible, apostasy is equated with rebellion against God, His Law, and and worshiping any god other than the Hebrew deity, Yahweh. The penalty for apostasy in Deuteronomy 13:1-10 is death.

That prophet or that dreamer (who leads you to worship of other gods) shall be put to death, because… he has preached apostasy from The Lord your God… If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or your intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods… do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him… You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God.


Priests "find" the Book of the Law, believed by many to be Deuteronomy, the Temple of Jerusalem (1 Kings 22).However, there are few instances when this harsh attitude seems to have been enforced. Indeed, the constant reminders of the prophets and biblical writers warning against idolatry demonstrate that Deuteronomy's standard was rarely enforced as the "law of the land." Indeed, modern scholars believe that the Book of Deuteronomy did not actually originate in the time of Moses, as is traditionally believed, but in the time of King Josiah of Judah in the late seventh century B.C.E.

There are several examples where strict punishment was indeed given to those who caused the Israelites to violate their faith in Yahweh alone. When the Hebrews were about to enter Canaan, Israelite men were reportedly led to worship the local deity Baal-Peor by Moabite and Midianite women. One of these men was slain together with his Midianite wife by the priest Phinehas (Numbers 25). The Midianite crime was considered so serious that Moses launched a war of extermination against them.


The Death of Jezebel by Gustave Doré.Perhaps the most remembered story of Israelite apostasy is that brought on by Jezebel, the wife of King Ahab. Jezebel herself was not an Israelite, but was originally a princess of the coastal Phoenician city of Tyre, in modern day Lebanon. When Jezebel married Ahab (who ruled c. 874–853 B.C.E.), she persuaded him to introduce Baal worship. The prophets Elijah and Elisha condemned this practice as a sign of being unfaithful to Yahweh.

Elijah ordered 450 prophets of Baal slain after they had lost a famous contest with him on Mount Carmel. Elijah's successor, Elisha, caused the military commander Jehu to be anointed as king of Israel while Ahab's son, Jehoram, was still on the throne. Jehu himself killed Jehoram and then went to Jezebel's palace and ordered her slain as well.

The Bible speaks of other notable defections from the Jewish faith: For example, Isaiah 1:2-4, or Jeremiah 2:19, and Ezekiel 16. Indeed, the Bible is replete with examples of Israelites worshiping other gods than Yahweh and being punished for this by God, though rarely by other Israelites. Israelite kings were often judged guilty of apostasy. Examples include Ahab (I Kings 16:30-33), Ahaziah (I Kings 22:51-53), Jehoram (2 Chronicles 21:6,10), Ahaz (2 Chronicles 28:1-4), Amon (2 Chronicles 33:21-23), and others. Even as great a king as Solomon is judged guilty of honoring other gods: "On a hill east of Jerusalem, Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the detestable god of Moab, and for Molech the detestable god of the Ammonites" (1 Kings 11:7).

However, as late as the time of the prophet Jeremiah in the early sixth century B.C.E., the worship of Canaanite gods continued unabated, as he complained:

Do you not see what they are doing in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger (Jeremiah 7:17-18).

According to biblical tradition, the apostasy of the Israelites led to destruction of the northern Kingdom of Israel in 722-821 B.C.E., and the exile of the citizens of the southern Kingdom of Judah to Babylon, as well as the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem in 586 B.C.E. After the Babylonian Exile, the Deuteronomic code seems to have been taken more seriously, but examples of its enforcement are scanty at best. Periods of apostasy were evident, however. The most well known of these came during the administration of the Seleucid Greek ruler Aniochus IV Epiphanes in the second century C.E., who virtually banned Jewish worship and forced many Jews to worship at pagan altars until the Macabeean revolt established an independent Jewish dynasty.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent ... sy#Judaism

There is one huge difference.. In the Jewish scripture, it is reconised that a lot of the penalties are hyperboles and exaggerations. Can you show me any cases in the last 2100 years where someone was put to death by the Jews for converting?

Can you show me in the last 400 years in Christianity y where someone was put to death for converting ? That was then, this is now. In Judaism, you are talking thousands of years ago, predating Islam in fact. While in the Christian religion, you are talking a mere 500 years or a bit more.

When it comes to Islam, we are talking the here and now.

[cnorman18]

TrueReligion,

Please explain the meaning of the word "Dhimmi" to everyone.

Islam may or may not condone or command murder: but it certainly does NOT teach religious freedom and tolerance.