Muslims worship Muhammad…

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua‘ in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua‘, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God’s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don’t let the title fool you — he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre–history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally–accepted views on Islamic ‘history’):

While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.

I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well–written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses:

Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped… The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as ‘blasphemy’ — surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).

[Bag-Of-Hammers]

OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua� in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua�, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God�s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don�t let the title fool you � he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre�history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally�accepted views on Islamic �history�):

While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.

I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well�written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie�s The Satanic Verses:

Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped� The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as �blasphemy� � surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).

The same way Christians absorb the deity if Christ, and are healed through the graces of his death and resurrection, the followers of Islam absorb the deity of Muhammad. They worshop Satan through the deity of Muhammad. The Terrorists that jealously kill to control people are acting out as Muhammad.

[TrueReligion]

The same way Christians absorb the deity if Christ, and are healed through the graces of his death and resurrection, the followers of Islam absorb the deity of Muhammad. They worshop Satan through the deity of Muhammad. The Terrorists that jealously kill to control people are acting out as Muhammad.

Any proof or evidence that muslims worship Muhammad, and who is Satan in Islam? can we know the name please:) its not Paul as I know

Also terrorists are not from Islam, it came from christianity and west, so bring your proof of anything u say my dear

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

Also terrorists are not from Islam, it came from christianity and west, so bring your proof of anything u say my dear

Bring yours. What evidence have you that terrorists come ‘from christianity and west’?

Incidentally, I’d personally feel inclined to name Samson as the first depicted suicide terrorist (kills a load of Philistines after praying to god for martyrdom).

[TrueReligion]

Also terrorists are not from Islam, it came from christianity and west, so bring your proof of anything u say my dear

Bring yours. What evidence have you that terrorists come ‘from christianity and west’?

Incidentally, I’d personally feel inclined to name Samson as the first depicted suicide terrorist (kills a load of Philistines after praying to god for martyrdom).

Hope this might help you

http://www.terrorism-research.com/history/early.php

[Wyvern]

Also terrorists are not from Islam, it came from christianity and west, so bring your proof of anything u say my dear

Bring yours. What evidence have you that terrorists come ‘from christianity and west’?

Incidentally, I’d personally feel inclined to name Samson as the first depicted suicide terrorist (kills a load of Philistines after praying to god for martyrdom).

Hope this might help you

http://www.terrorism-research.com/history/early.php

You really should read the links you give, the very first examples they give are the zealots which was a jewish sect that was using such attacks against the romans who occupied the area at the time, and the second example were the assassins which it states was a sect of islam.

[TrueReligion]

Also terrorists are not from Islam, it came from christianity and west, so bring your proof of anything u say my dear

Bring yours. What evidence have you that terrorists come ‘from christianity and west’?

Incidentally, I’d personally feel inclined to name Samson as the first depicted suicide terrorist (kills a load of Philistines after praying to god for martyrdom).

Hope this might help you

http://www.terrorism-research.com/history/early.php

You really should read the links you give, the very first examples they give are the zealots which was a jewish sect that was using such attacks against the romans who occupied the area at the time, and the second example were the assassins which it states was a sect of islam.

I refer that the early terorist attacks started from christans and west, ofcourse Jews were made chrsitians by force also, and they were from west.
So wats the problem in this?

[Wyvern]

Also terrorists are not from Islam, it came from christianity and west, so bring your proof of anything u say my dear

Bring yours. What evidence have you that terrorists come ‘from christianity and west’?

Incidentally, I’d personally feel inclined to name Samson as the first depicted suicide terrorist (kills a load of Philistines after praying to god for martyrdom).

Hope this might help you

http://www.terrorism-research.com/history/early.php

You really should read the links you give, the very first examples they give are the zealots which was a jewish sect that was using such attacks against the romans who occupied the area at the time, and the second example were the assassins which it states was a sect of islam.

I refer that the early terorist attacks started from christans and west, ofcourse Jews were made chrsitians by force also, and they were from west.
So wats the problem in this?

The earliest terrorists listed by your site were the zealots who were jews and the assassins who were islamic, christians at the time of the zealots barely existed and were in no position to force anyone to convert to their religion in fact the only group mentioned in your article that were from the west were the romans. If you are trying to make the argument that jews of this time are of the west is plain silly, they existed nearly exclusively in the middle east, in nearly the same locales that islam would rise. For that matter stating anything is of the west during this period is just as silly, it is much easier to say they were roman since other than barbaric tribes along the borders they were the only power in the west.

In short, my problem is you are wrong.

[TrueReligion]

Also terrorists are not from Islam, it came from christianity and west, so bring your proof of anything u say my dear

Bring yours. What evidence have you that terrorists come ‘from christianity and west’?

Incidentally, I’d personally feel inclined to name Samson as the first depicted suicide terrorist (kills a load of Philistines after praying to god for martyrdom).

Hope this might help you

http://www.terrorism-research.com/history/early.php

You really should read the links you give, the very first examples they give are the zealots which was a jewish sect that was using such attacks against the romans who occupied the area at the time, and the second example were the assassins which it states was a sect of islam.

I refer that the early terorist attacks started from christans and west, ofcourse Jews were made chrsitians by force also, and they were from west.
So wats the problem in this?

The earliest terrorists listed by your site were the zealots who were jews and the assassins who were islamic, christians at the time of the zealots barely existed and were in no position to force anyone to convert to their religion in fact the only group mentioned in your article that were from the west were the romans. If you are trying to make the argument that jews of this time are of the west is plain silly, they existed nearly exclusively in the middle east, in nearly the same locales that islam would rise. For that matter stating anything is of the west during this period is just as silly, it is much easier to say they were roman since other than barbaric tribes along the borders they were the only power in the west.

In short, my problem is you are wrong.

The romans are not part of west? from middle east, the Jews were in small#, mostly terror plots were made by ROMANS, which I agree as wat you said, but keep in mind, while quoting west,does'nt mean only US or Canada, its used as an expression for europe, including Romans etc etc,. So I dont feel logic arguing with this point, and bringing the discussion away fromthe post.
If you have any evidence that any muslim worship Muhammad, bring it on, otherwise this post is not relevant

[Wyvern]

The romans are not part of west? from middle east, the Jews were in small#, mostly terror plots were made by ROMANS, which I agree as wat you said, but keep in mind, while quoting west,does'nt mean only US or Canada, its used as an expression for europe, including Romans etc etc,. So I dont feel logic arguing with this point, and bringing the discussion away fromthe post.
If you have any evidence that any muslim worship Muhammad, bring it on, otherwise this post is not relevant

Do you understand english? I stated not only at that time was rome part of the west it was the ONLY entity that could be called the west at the time. The website you provided stated the romans were the victims of terrorist attacks not the perpetrators so guess what that means you were wrong the west is not the source of terrorism as you claimed. In fact according to your own link islam is one of the founders of terrorism.

[Bag-Of-Hammers]

OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua� in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua�, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God�s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don�t let the title fool you � he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre�history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally�accepted views on Islamic �history�):

While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.

I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well�written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie�s The Satanic Verses:

Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped� The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as �blasphemy� � surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).

Crying foul every time a cartoon depicts Muhammad is their way of making you submit to them, and give them the authoritative say on what God wants from you. It is their way of spreading their religion. It is their way of making everyone in the world submit to Muhammad. It is a power play.