The Qu'ran

[McCulloch]

quraan is written by allah but other books written by person so you have to read it to make sure

Well i am sure the quran is much unique from among all the other books. [...] the quran has never been changed. The quran was and is as god says himself in the quran that the quran is copyrighted. So there are millions of copys in the world in many translation--but all the same thing. Ones in english, urdu, arabic, chinese, brail... and so on. So which one shall you read? The one that says Quran or koran or coran on the cover. And as the biggining chapter introduces the author (god). You can order many free ones from islam tomorow, or even better go to your local mosque.[...]

So I went to the quran. I read it and I felt closer to god in my whole life. I actually cryed. And now i am closer to god then ever.

I have been invited to read the Qu'ran. It has been claimed that it has the answers to the questions, How can I know if God exists? and How can I know what God wants of me? It has been implied that the divine truth of the Quran is self-evident.

For Debate: If you have read the Qu'ran or part of it, is its divine origin self-evident? Does it make a convincing argument for the existence of God?

[Apple Pie]

There is no verse in the Quran which is copied from the Bible.

There are many verses, brother....not just one...

>75% of the Koran was composed from the Biblical Book of Revelation alone....read the thread, brother...

In Thread its proven that your claim is wrong, and is testified by other members as well. So Quran is not copied from Bible, infact Bible is copied from Jewish Scripture, which I showed already

If someone says that certain verses from the Quran were influenced by the bible then please show how specifically.

Done.

Read through this thread before making statements that you cannot refute...

Again, your claims and all your posts were false, and proven already in this post. You could;nt provide any valid proof, therefore all your statements are wrong and not acceptable by any means,

The Quran corrects the things which are wrong in the Bible and sets things aright.

The Holy Bible is required to correct & clarify the Koran in all manner of things.

Bible itself is full of errors, and contradictions, and its proven and admitted already by many christian scholars and sects, including JW's.. If any1 wants more, can refer to my post "50,000 errors in Bible"
So its true that Quran corrected the wrong human made concepts given in Bible

All of this done by prophets of God. Men who are the most upright amongst the people during their time. Men who are supposed to instruct an be an example of righteousness to the believers. Men who are guided and inspired by God/Allah. The Quran mentions none of these things.

Then your book of faith is incomplete.

Bible is stil keep on changing , and always new versions are out in the market, whereas Quran have ONLY 1 VERSION. this certify that Quran is complete, and perfect book of faith

Everyone rendering the Koran comes up with a different interpretation.

[McCulloch]

You [Apple Pie] claim that 75% of the Koran was copied directly from the Book of Revelation. How about coming up with an example where the wording at least is similar.

If you can't even articulate the languages that you are basing your assertion upon, then you have nothing.

I disagree. I shall illustrate why with an example. What if I had made the claim that 75% of Leo Tolstoy's, War and Peace was directly copied from Homer's, The Iliad. I don't think that there would be any problem with someone who does not read either Russian or Greek showing that such a claim is false. Both works have been translated into English and making allowances for the difficulties inherent in translation, one could easily test the claim. Further, since the later work is significantly longer than the earlier work, it is absurd to say that 75% of it had been directly copied from it. Based on this, the onus is on the one making the claim to provide some support for it.

[Apple Pie]

You [Apple Pie] claim that 75% of the Koran was copied directly from the Book of Revelation. How about coming up with an example where the wording at least is similar.

If you can't even articulate the languages that you are basing your assertion upon, then you have nothing.

I disagree. I shall illustrate why with an example. What if I had made the claim that 75% of Leo Tolstoy's, War and Peace was directly copied from Homer's, The Iliad. I don't think that there would be any problem with someone who does not read either Russian or Greek showing that such a claim is false. Both works have been translated into English and making allowances for the difficulties inherent in translation, one could easily test the claim. Further, since the later work is significantly longer than the earlier work, it is absurd to say that 75% of it had been directly copied from it. Based on this, the onus is on the one making the claim to provide some support for it.

You were finally able to present five supposedly “random� Koranic ayah numbers.

Not an actual ayah rendering, of course, but a number that represents an ayah.

In this manner, it relieves you from actually comprehending what the ayahs actually state.

We demonstrated that indeed one of your chosen five ayahs was copied from the Biblical Book of Revelation – fully satisfying and meeting your “criteria�.

Our assertion of 75% is statistically correct.

Thus, you need to once again step up to the plate and withdraw yet another one of your false assertions.

[McCulloch]

You were finally able to present five supposedly “random� Koranic ayah numbers.

Not an actual ayah rendering, of course, but a number that represents an ayah.

Did you miss my post, number 239, Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:23 am?

[Apple Pie]

You were finally able to present five supposedly “random� Koranic ayah numbers.

Not an actual ayah rendering, of course, but a number that represents an ayah.

Did you miss my post, number 239, Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:23 am?

Post 242 contains your answer, brother.

Don't pretend that you didn't read it.

[TrueReligion]

There is no verse in the Quran which is copied from the Bible.

There are many verses, brother....not just one...

>75% of the Koran was composed from the Biblical Book of Revelation alone....read the thread, brother...

In Thread its proven that your claim is wrong, and is testified by other members as well. So Quran is not copied from Bible, infact Bible is copied from Jewish Scripture, which I showed already

If someone says that certain verses from the Quran were influenced by the bible then please show how specifically.

Done.

Read through this thread before making statements that you cannot refute...

Again, your claims and all your posts were false, and proven already in this post. You could;nt provide any valid proof, therefore all your statements are wrong and not acceptable by any means,

The Quran corrects the things which are wrong in the Bible and sets things aright.

The Holy Bible is required to correct & clarify the Koran in all manner of things.

Bible itself is full of errors, and contradictions, and its proven and admitted already by many christian scholars and sects, including JW's.. If any1 wants more, can refer to my post "50,000 errors in Bible"
So its true that Quran corrected the wrong human made concepts given in Bible

All of this done by prophets of God. Men who are the most upright amongst the people during their time. Men who are supposed to instruct an be an example of righteousness to the believers. Men who are guided and inspired by God/Allah. The Quran mentions none of these things.

Then your book of faith is incomplete.

Bible is stil keep on changing , and always new versions are out in the market, whereas Quran have ONLY 1 VERSION. this certify that Quran is complete, and perfect book of faith

Everyone rendering the Koran comes up with a different interpretation.

Its your statement only, proof is required whatever you make claim, please provide proof.

[TrueReligion]

You [Apple Pie] claim that 75% of the Koran was copied directly from the Book of Revelation. How about coming up with an example where the wording at least is similar.

If you can't even articulate the languages that you are basing your assertion upon, then you have nothing.

I disagree. I shall illustrate why with an example. What if I had made the claim that 75% of Leo Tolstoy's, War and Peace was directly copied from Homer's, The Iliad. I don't think that there would be any problem with someone who does not read either Russian or Greek showing that such a claim is false. Both works have been translated into English and making allowances for the difficulties inherent in translation, one could easily test the claim. Further, since the later work is significantly longer than the earlier work, it is absurd to say that 75% of it had been directly copied from it. Based on this, the onus is on the one making the claim to provide some support for it.

You were finally able to present five supposedly “random� Koranic ayah numbers.

Not an actual ayah rendering, of course, but a number that represents an ayah.

In this manner, it relieves you from actually comprehending what the ayahs actually state.

We demonstrated that indeed one of your chosen five ayahs was copied from the Biblical Book of Revelation – fully satisfying and meeting your “criteria�.

Our assertion of 75% is statistically correct.

Thus, you need to once again step up to the plate and withdraw yet another one of your false assertions.

Your claim of ONE ayah out of five copied from bible came as false as well, verified by other members as well, none of your statements came true Apple_Pie.

[Apple Pie]

Its your statement only, proof is required whatever you make claim, please provide proof.

Render this...


بأي ذنب قتلت

[TrueReligion]

Its your statement only, proof is required whatever you make claim, please provide proof.

Render this...


بأي ذنب قتلت

Its already posted, as its an english forum, so you have to provide in english for all members to understand your claim.
Hoowever I wil make it easy for other members. You are refering chapter 81, verse 9. but full context is from verse 8 till 9.

Chapter 81
when the infant girls buried alive (here reference is made to the Pre-Islamic Arab custom of burying new born girls alive) will be questioned[8] for what sin she was killed;[9]

So what do you mean here quoting this verse. Please explain now.

[Apple Pie]

Its your statement only, proof is required whatever you make claim, please provide proof.

Render this...


بأي ذنب قتلت

Its already posted, as its an english forum, so you have to provide in english for all members to understand your claim.
Hoowever I wil make it easy for other members. You are refering chapter 81, verse 9. but full context is from verse 8 till 9.

Chapter 81
when the infant girls buried alive (here reference is made to the Pre-Islamic Arab custom of burying new born girls alive) will be questioned[8] for what sin she was killed;[9]

So what do you mean here quoting this verse. Please explain now.

Look at the confusion amongst your “authorized� translators, brother…


Literal:
And when/if the buried alive was asked/questioned:
Free_Minds:
And when the girl killed in infancy is asked,
Khalifa:
The girl who was buried alive is asked:
Yusuf_Ali:
When the female (infant), buried alive, is questioned -
Shakir:
And when the female infant buried alive is asked
Pickthal:
And when the girl-child that was buried alive is asked
Arberry:
when the buried infant shall be asked
George_Sale:
and when the girl who hath been buried alive shall be asked
Hilali_Khan:
And when the female (infant) buried alive (as the pagan Arabs used to do) shall be questioned.
Maulana_Ali:
And when the one buried alive is asked
QXP:
And when the little girl that was buried alive is made to ask -
Sarwar:
questions are asked about the baby girls buried alive,.




So…which is it…?

A. A single baby girl killed
B. A single baby girl buried alive
C. One (gender neutral) buried alive
D. Baby girls (plural) buried alive


Further, how exactly do you question a dead baby girl?