Is Buddhism logical?

[cholland]

"The Buddha described Nirvana as the perfect peace of the state of mind that is free from craving, anger and other afflictive states (kilesas)." -Wikipedia

Wouldn't Nirvana in itself be a craving?

[Coyotero]

Nirvana is to have no desires, yet you have to desire Nirvana in order to get there.

That's the point. It's not something one strives for, it's something one attains through not worrying about it. Nirvana is a state of being, not a goal to achieve.

To that extent , one can find him better than Yeshua [Issa], but karma and reincarnation rank as nonsense.
Buddhims qualifies as an atheistic religion, albeit a former Pm. of Japan said it has many gods. What is the latest information on that?

As far as I know, Buddhism is more a way of life than a religion. It's not about worshiping this deity or that deity. It's about living your life like a decent person, and not worrying about that which we can't understand. The principals of Buddhism could be applied to most any religion, because it's not about subscribing to a particular theology.

[cholland]

I understand that Buddha encouraged skepticism, disregarding faith. I know that some find him a humanist.
To that extent , one can find him better than Yeshua [Issa], but karma and reincarnation rank as nonsense.
Buddhims qualifies as an atheistic religion, albeit a former Pm. of Japan said it has many gods. What is the latest information on that?

Not my question. Start another thread if you want to discuss that. My question was on the logic of Nirvana.

[cholland]

That's the point. It's not something one strives for, it's something one attains through not worrying about it. Nirvana is a state of being, not a goal to achieve.

Please define 'attain' and 'achieve' for the sake of your argument.

As far as I know, Buddhism is more a way of life than a religion. It's not about worshiping this deity or that deity. It's about living your life like a decent person, and not worrying about that which we can't understand. The principals of Buddhism could be applied to most any religion, because it's not about subscribing to a particular theology.

I know I already posted this, but please stay on topic of the logic of Nirvana.

[Coyotero]

That's the point. It's not something one strives for, it's something one attains through not worrying about it. Nirvana is a state of being, not a goal to achieve.

Please define 'attain' and 'achieve' for the sake of your argument.

As far as I know, Buddhism is more a way of life than a religion. It's not about worshiping this deity or that deity. It's about living your life like a decent person, and not worrying about that which we can't understand. The principals of Buddhism could be applied to most any religion, because it's not about subscribing to a particular theology.

I know I already posted this, but please stay on topic of the logic of Nirvana.

Sorry, didn't mean to derail your thread, just trying to clarify the previous poster.

I sent an email to my father in law (A buddhist) and I'll get back to you with the straight dope.

[Coyotero]

Hokay, so, here's what he told me.

"If you meet the Buddha on the road, KILL HIM!"

Let me know what you all think.

[Goat]

Hokay, so, here's what he told me.

"If you meet the Buddha on the road, KILL HIM!"

Let me know what you all think.

If you think you found enlightenment, you haven't... so you have to start all over again'

[Coyotero]

BAM!

That's it.

If you go looking for it, you'll never find it. The secret is that there is no secret. See things as they are. If you're looking for Nirvana, you're missing the point. It's overrated anyways.

[Scotracer]

Maybe if you look for long enough you go "**** it! I give up!" and that's when you no longer want it...but at that moment you reach it.

[bernee51]

That's why so few people have reached "enlightenment"

When someone is well on the way to achieve that, they can suddenly look at themself and say 'Pretty good', and the good old "PRIDE" issue comes up and slaps them in the back.

But I'm arguing that NO ONE can reach Nirvana because it's illogical. Nirvana is to have no desires, yet you have to desire Nirvana in order to get there.

Keep in mind, though, that I know little about Buddhism so this is simply for my knowledge.

A "true buddhist" (tm) does not desire nirvana - the first of the four noble truths tells us this can only lead to suffering.

According to buddhists it is only by understanding the four noble truths and living a life guided by the eight-fold path that liberation from suffering, i.e. nirvana, can be achieved.

[youranilldonkey]

Nirvana is more of a realization then it is an achievement.