Fornication. What really is the problem with it?

[OnceConvinced]

In another thread I was talking about sexual urges and how our inherent human nature kicks in when it comes to sex. Automatically the Christian I was debating with assumed I was talking about some form of infidelity and that infidelity had serious consequences. I agreed. However fornication is far more than just adultry. Fornication includes any type of pre-marital sex too.

So if two consenting, SINGLE adults decide ot have premarital sex and they use protection, what really is the problem with it? Why is it so wrong and what are the ramifications. And please don't bother with the answer "Because God says it's wrong". Let's try to apply some reasoning and logic to this.

Why is it so sinful?

What are the ramifications of doing it?

If there are ramifications just how serious are they and how likely are they to occur?

[Goat]

In another thread I was talking about sexual urges and how our inherent human nature kicks in when it comes to sex. Automatically the Christian I was debating with assumed I was talking about some form of infidelity and that infidelity had serious consequences. I agreed. However fornication is far more than just adultry. Fornication includes any type of pre-marital sex too.

So if two consenting, SINGLE adults decide ot have premarital sex and they use protection, what really is the problem with it? Why is it so wrong and what are the ramifications. And please don't bother with the answer "Because God says it's wrong". Let's try to apply some reasoning and logic to this.

Why is it so sinful?

What are the ramifications of doing it?

If there are ramifications just how serious are they and how likely are they to occur?

Birth control is not 100% effective, and the ramifications might be an unwanted pregnancy. that is assuming that both partners are disease free and monogamous
with each other.

[OnceConvinced]

Birth control is not 100% effective, and the ramifications might be an unwanted pregnancy. that is assuming that both partners are disease free and monogamous
with each other.

Is that a good reason to forbid pre-martial sex? If we are going to outlaw pre-marital sex because of the the minute chance of unwanted pregnancies we should also out law driving, or flying by plane in case we end up in an accident (or in biblical times quit riding donkeys in case we fall off and injure ourselves). We could start putting a stop to almost everything we do in case of something unfortunate happening. To me that doesn't quite add up to a sensible reason to forbid sex before marriage. I guess one could argue there was no such thing as condoms in biblical times, so that ruling was necessary. But is it still necessary now?

The other thing is, and I'm not sure if it's a Christian thing or a Jewish thing. I suspect it's Christian... is that pregnancies are a blessing from God. Therefore it should be fine if a pregnancy occurs. It would be God's will and his blessing.

It's funny my ex wife got pregnant to her boyfriend. They weren't married. She actually made the claim that God had blessed her with a child. Wha???? She, an adultress and fornicator, yet believes God would bless her with a child?

[Goat]

Birth control is not 100% effective, and the ramifications might be an unwanted pregnancy. that is assuming that both partners are disease free and monogamous
with each other.

Is that a good reason to forbid pre-martial sex? If we are going to outlaw pre-marital sex because of the the minute chance of unwanted pregnancies we should also out law driving, or flying by plane in case we end up in an accident (or in biblical times quit riding donkeys in case we fall off and injure ourselves). We could start putting a stop to almost everything we do in case of something unfortunate happening. To me that doesn't quite add up to a sensible reason to forbid sex before marriage. I guess one could argue there was no such thing as condoms in biblical times, so that ruling was necessary. But is it still necessary now?

The other thing is, and I'm not sure if it's a Christian thing or a Jewish thing. I suspect it's Christian... is that pregnancies are a blessing from God. Therefore it should be fine if a pregnancy occurs. It would be God's will and his blessing.

It's funny my ex wife got pregnant to her boyfriend. They weren't married. She actually made the claim that God had blessed her with a child. Wha???? She, an adultress and fornicator, yet believes God would bless her with a child?

One name

Bristol Palin

[Coyotero]

It's funny, in Asatru (Filthy, vile, heathens that we are) it is considered by some to be law that a child must be had before a marriage can take place.

That's how my wife and I did it. An unwanted, unplanned, unexpected pregnancy brought me the three greatest things ever (Daughter, son, wife).

[JoeyKnothead]

It's funny, in Asatru (Filthy, vile, heathens that we are) it is considered by some to be law that a child must be had before a marriage can take place.

That's how my wife and I did it. An unwanted, unplanned, unexpected pregnancy brought me the three greatest things ever (Daughter, son, wife).

I hear ya. My son was born 7 months premature. Think about it.

[McCulloch]

There is a delightful now obsolete English word, merry-begotten, which meant a child conceived before but born after the wedding of his or her parents. It seems to avoid the negative connotations of bastard.

Someone I am related to on my wife's side was having difficulty obtaining her father's consent to marry her beloved. He was a foreigner and her father was a bigot. They overcame his objections by deliberately becoming pregnant. They both were and still are active in their Southern Baptist church. They are still happily married, and grandparents. Did they do wrong?

[Goat]

There is a delightful now obsolete English word, merry-begotten, which meant a child conceived before but born after the wedding of his or her parents. It seems to avoid the negative connotations of bastard.

Someone I am related to on my wife's side was having difficulty obtaining her father's consent to marry her beloved. He was a foreigner and her father was a bigot. They overcame his objections by deliberately becoming pregnant. They both were and still are active in their Southern Baptist church. They are still happily married, and grandparents. Did they do wrong?

IMO, no. It's when there is unintended consequences where the people involved are unwilling or unable to take care of the child that is wrong. The act itself is not wrong. It is not willing to act responsible for the consequences that is.

[chelbelle89]

So if two consenting, SINGLE adults decide ot have premarital sex and they use protection, what really is the problem with it? Why is it so wrong and what are the ramifications. And please don't bother with the answer "Because God says it's wrong". Let's try to apply some reasoning and logic to this.

Why is it so sinful?

What are the ramifications of doing it?

If there are ramifications just how serious are they and how likely are they to occur?

I do not believe that sex before marriage is wrong so long as the two consenting parties involved are responsible and mature enough to handle the possible outcomes:

Sex in many cases does not just come with the physical risks, such as unwanted pregnancies, STD's, yeast and urinary tract infections, it also comes with the emotional risk. Two people do not just meet and have sex. Generally an emotional attachment is formed before hand, due to one or both parties needing a sense of trust. Now, of course this does not include one-night stands due to substance interference (such as with alcohol). This sense of trust that comes with giving yourself to another person is something that leaves one feeling extremely vulnerable. If or when that relationship has ended, sex makes it an even more difficult break -up. Not to mention the emotional toll it would put on the potential child, should the birthcontrol fail. Whether the child is kept or put up for adoption, there would be emotional consequences to the child that never had a choice in the matter. You would need to consider this as well. I will not even attempt to express the issues facing foster children or children of single parents, not to mention the tax burden that these children of foster care and single parents pose. And while yes, these children can overcome such emotional obstacles, it is not by any means easy. Is our thirty-minute pleasure worth risking a child's well-being?

I do not believe that these outcomes would qualify a law against premarital sex, by any means. However, as previously stated, the two adults must really weigh the consequences. They are not the only two people involved, because there is the potential for life when having intercourse. I think this is a very socially responsible approach to pre-marital sex.

[Defender of Truth]

Why is it so sinful?

Why would you say cheating on a test is wrong?