Sex-Straight-Gay (What does the Bible say... to you?)

[melikio]

This sums up many of my views on the Bible and human sexuality: http://www.religion-online.org/showarti ... title=1265

I'm a gay man. (No big deal to me personally, I accept that period; but because of American society and many related religious views/traditions, I realize that I must advocate for certain human rights and protections. I've reluctantly become more of a moral activist over time, than I would have originally preferred.) I've seen people justify their views (one way or the other); now I just want to see what people on this forum think of sex, as it relates to their overall biblical, social or moral perspective(s).

Since I was a young man, I've always wanted to know what various biblical experts had to say about human sexuality (especially factors related to homosexuality). And in light of many threads discussing biblical interpretations and traditions, I ask this debatable question:

What does the Bible say to YOU (spiritually/personally) regarding the gift of HUMAN SEXUALITY you've been granted or experienced?

[muhammad rasullah]

This sums up many of my views on the Bible and human sexuality: http://www.religion-online.org/showarti ... title=1265

I'm a gay man. (No big deal to me personally, I accept that period; but because of American society and many related religious views/traditions, I realize that I must advocate for certain human rights and protections. I've reluctantly become more of a moral activist over time, than I would have originally preferred.) I've seen people justify their views (one way or the other); now I just want to see what people on this forum think of sex, as it relates to their overall biblical, social or moral perspective(s).

Since I was a young man, I've always wanted to know what various biblical experts had to say about human sexuality (especially factors related to homosexuality). And in light of many threads discussing biblical interpretations and traditions, I ask this debatable question:

What does the Bible say to YOU (spiritually/personally) regarding the gift of HUMAN SEXUALITY you've been granted or experienced?

The bible has so many versus which are sexual you couldn't read without thinking it is okay! in Genesis the story of Lot and his two daughters getting their father drunk, having sex with him and bearing the children of their father with no repremand of God on either of them!! Incest? So it isn't illogical that homosexuality is ok when reading the bible. I am a muslim and fornication is a sin and homosexuality is even greater to me because it is with the same sex. sex should be sought within the confines of marriage for pleasure of each other and to procreate. But with the influence of shaytan he makes homosexuality to seem okay and acceptable! Homosexuality has not purpose this is the reason sodom and gamor were destroyed because of the sodomy that existed during that time!

I have a question though how can you be an avocate for moral conduct and be a homosexual?

[Salt Agent]

The bible has so many versus which are sexual you couldn't read without thinking it is okay! in Genesis the story of Lot and his two daughters getting their father drunk, having sex with him and bearing the children of their father with no repremand of God on either of them!! Incest? So it isn't illogical that homosexuality is ok when reading the bible. I am a muslim and fornication is a sin and homosexuality is even greater to me because it is with the same sex. sex should be sought within the confines of marriage for pleasure of each other and to procreate. But with the influence of shaytan he makes homosexuality to seem okay and acceptable! Homosexuality has not purpose this is the reason sodom and gamor were destroyed because of the sodomy that existed during that time!

I have a question though how can you be an avocate for moral conduct and be a homosexual?

Greetings Muhammed,

I don't know if you were addressing me, or Melikio or both.
You have some very valid questions and you raise some good points.

You said, "Homosexuality has not purpose this is the reason sodom and gamor were destroyed because of the sodomy that existed during that time!"

It was destroyed, but not because homosexuality has no purpose. The city was destroyed because of the sexual perversion.

One could argue that it has a purpose, but that is really irrelevant. It is clearly condemned as sin in scripture.

I have a question though how can you be an avocate for moral conduct and be a homosexual?

You/anyone can't be an advocate for moral conduct (sexual purity) and be a homosexual. My point was not to condone homosexuality, but to state that Biblically, -- the point of the author's post --homosexuality is the same as any other type of fornication [sex in any form outside the marriage of a man and woman], no more or no less wrong, and no more or less of an abomination than lying. Christ said that whoever looks at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her, showing that lust is also not acceptable.

I was pointing out that many so-called Christians are quick to speak out against homosexuals, and some with hate speech, but they justify or excuse fornication as better, but it is not.

Also, it should be noted that being tempted with homosexual thoughts and desires does not make one homosexual. Remember that Christ was tempted, with every temptation but without sin.

This is perhaps the greatest inconsistency in the entire discussion on the subject, by both heterosexual and homosexual, believers and nonbelievers --they have a double standard for their definitions.

How do you define a murderer? Someone who commits murder.
How do you define a thief? Someone who steals.
How do you define a fornicator/adulterer? Someone who commits fornication/adultery.
How do you define a liar? Someone who lies.
How do you define a homosexual? Someone who is sexually attracted to the same sex, or has sexual attraction for the same sex??? or someone who is tempted by members of the same sex????? NO.

We are not defined by our temptations. Many homosexuals use this line of reasoning to defend the sin of homosexuals, and many homophobic heterosexuals use this same flawed reasoning to label those who struggle with temptation.


1 Corinthians 6:9
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders"
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 6

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?bo ... text=verse

Sodomy- General scriptures concerning (Genesis 19:5-8; Exodus 22:19; Leviticus 18:22,23;20:13,15,16; Deuteronomy)

Romans 1:24-27

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
New International Version (NIV)

Jude 1:7

7"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

Also, some so-called Christians say that AIDS was a judgement from God on Homosexuals. This is absurd and illogical, not to mention bigoted. AIDS is spread more rapidly among heterosexuals than homosexuals --the AIDS pandemic in Africa is a prime example. AIDS was not a punishment from God on anyone. Rather He gave us laws to protect us from the natural consequences that come from incest, sex with animals, sexual promiscuity, etc.

Equally as bad as homosexuality or fornication is hatred of another person.

[muhammad rasullah]

The bible has so many versus which are sexual you couldn't read without thinking it is okay! in Genesis the story of Lot and his two daughters getting their father drunk, having sex with him and bearing the children of their father with no repremand of God on either of them!! Incest? So it isn't illogical that homosexuality is ok when reading the bible. I am a muslim and fornication is a sin and homosexuality is even greater to me because it is with the same sex. sex should be sought within the confines of marriage for pleasure of each other and to procreate. But with the influence of shaytan he makes homosexuality to seem okay and acceptable! Homosexuality has not purpose this is the reason sodom and gamor were destroyed because of the sodomy that existed during that time!

I have a question though how can you be an avocate for moral conduct and be a homosexual?

Greetings Muhammed,

I don't know if you were addressing me, or Melikio or both.
You have some very valid questions and you raise some good points.

You said, "Homosexuality has not purpose this is the reason sodom and gamor were destroyed because of the sodomy that existed during that time!"

It was destroyed, but not because homosexuality has no purpose. The city was destroyed because of the sexual perversion.

Homosexuality does not have a valid purpose again sex should be confined in marriage and for the procreation of offspring. Homosexuality has no place in marriage and cannot procreate. If everyone was homosexual then the human race would die off.
One could argue that it has a purpose, but that is really irrelevant. It is clearly condemned as sin in scripture.

I have a question though how can you be an avocate for moral conduct and be a homosexual?

You/anyone can't be an advocate for moral conduct (sexual purity) and be a homosexual. My point was not to condone homosexuality, but to state that Biblically, -- the point of the author's post --homosexuality is the same as any other type of fornication [sex in any form outside the marriage of a man and woman], no more or no less wrong, and no more or less of an abomination than lying. Christ said that whoever looks at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her, showing that lust is also not acceptable.

I was pointing out that many so-called Christians are quick to speak out against homosexuals, and some with hate speech, but they justify or excuse fornication as better, but it is not.

Also, it should be noted that being tempted with homosexual thoughts and desires does not make one homosexual. Remember that Christ was tempted, with every temptation but without sin.

This is perhaps the greatest inconsistency in the entire discussion on the subject, by both heterosexual and homosexual, believers and nonbelievers --they have a double standard for their definitions.

How do you define a murderer? Someone who commits murder.
How do you define a thief? Someone who steals.
How do you define a fornicator/adulterer? Someone who commits fornication/adultery.
How do you define a liar? Someone who lies.
How do you define a homosexual? Someone who is sexually attracted to the same sex, or has sexual attraction for the same sex??? or someone who is tempted by members of the same sex????? NO.

We are not defined by our temptations. Many homosexuals use this line of reasoning to defend the sin of homosexuals, and many homophobic heterosexuals use this same flawed reasoning to label those who struggle with temptation.


1 Corinthians 6:9
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders"
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 6

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?bo ... text=verse

Sodomy- General scriptures concerning (Genesis 19:5-8; Exodus 22:19; Leviticus 18:22,23;20:13,15,16; Deuteronomy)

Romans 1:24-27

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
New International Version (NIV)

Jude 1:7

7"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

Also, some so-called Christians say that AIDS was a judgement from God on Homosexuals. This is absurd and illogical, not to mention bigoted. AIDS is spread more rapidly among heterosexuals than homosexuals --the AIDS pandemic in Africa is a prime example. AIDS was not a punishment from God on anyone. Rather He gave us laws to protect us from the natural consequences that come from incest, sex with animals, sexual promiscuity, etc.

Equally as bad as homosexuality or fornication is hatred of another person.

[WafflesFTW]

The thing is... no one gives two hoots about your leather bound fairy tales aside from your fellow fanatics.

[otseng]

The thing is... no one gives two hoots about your leather bound fairy tales aside from your fellow fanatics.

Though you might not give a hoot, that doesn't mean that nobody else does. Further, let's please be respectful of others beliefs, even if you do not share those beliefs. The main principle of this forum is that we are all to respect one anothers' views, especially if you do not believe in them. You are free to attack the beliefs through logical arguments, but it should be done cordially and respectfully. Thanks.

[Mcstar51]

The bible cannot be the utter word of God because isn't God suppose to teach us to love thy neighbor and treat everyone equally and to be accepting of other peoples way of life? So suddenly He's saying that homosexuality is wrong and gay people should be punished. It doesn't add up.
Most people these days have the maturity to accept that some people are gay and some aren't. IT IS NOT A SIN TO BE GAY!
Don't believe every word of the bible because it is quite obvious to most people that it comes out with a lot of nonsense.

[LovelessSerenity]

My opinion is that the bible doesn't consider homosexuality -the act of loving the same sex and or feeling attracted to same sex- a sin... Why? Well to make things short, history shows us that a lot of homosexual acts were not committed out of love and or attraction, but to defile ones enemy and or fellow man...

There are other reasons why, but here are three websites that explain how the bible... Lev, Romans, Du, etc ... don't say homosexuality is a sin, but certain cases of homosexual acts were sinful...

http://www.whosoever.org/gayxian/articles.html

http://www.lionking.org/~kovu/bible/toc.html

http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/contents.html



really tired right now, but cant wait to see comments &_&

[jbm611973]

I believe the bible to be the the word of God. Christians look to the word of God as absolute truth. He tells us in several scriptures that a man lying with another man in an abonination. God's word will never change.

[McCulloch]

I believe the bible to be the the word of God.

I don't. Do you have a reason to believe that the Bible is the word of God?

Christians look to the word of God as absolute truth.

Most people who believe that there is a God believe that God's word is absolute truth.

He tells us in several scriptures that a man lying with another man in an abomination. God's word will never change.

Do you wear mixed fibers?

'You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.

[Goat]

I believe the bible to be the the word of God. Christians look to the word of God as absolute truth. He tells us in several scriptures that a man lying with another man in an abonination. God's word will never change.

Do you know what the Hebrew term that is translated at 'abomination' is? It is 'Tovah', which means ritualistically unclean. It has to do with the purity of people going into the temple. Other such restrictions is wearing a combination of wool and linen, eating shrimp, and cheese burgers.

Of course, there is no temple anymore too.