Eureka! Muslims begin to reject terrorism!

[carolineislands]

Could hardly believe my eyes:

[Risky]

You address all of my points except for where I show you Saudi Arabia isn't following the Sharia as they claim, which was the basis for my injection into this thread.

Now I think it's pointless to tell you that the USA led the World/'UN' in pretty much everything that happened in the Gulf War because your a major critic of the USA? But you fail to realize what was done is against Islamic Law/Islam; all the bombing on Iraq was done from Air Bases in Saudi Arabia the majority of bombing constituted by the USA and the UK. Bombing a 'Muslim' country killing Muslims essentially via another Muslim country Or rather the House of Saud* Is not against Islam? apparently your mislead in your beliefs about Islam if you can't see that. *(Almost forgot Saud* ; )

"UN" Embargo was an international mandate which outlined specific procedures for dealing with humanitarian support."

Yeah apparently The "UN"/American proposed/Imposed Embargo outline procedures didn't go so well when dealing with humanitarian support:

'According to the 21 March 1998 Times Union (Albany), the UN Food and Agriculture Organization estimated that 1,000,000 Iraqis, incl. 560,000 children, died as a result of malnutrition and disease caused by the international embargo imposed following the invasion of Kuwait.'
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Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)

*~ http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
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"It mandates a secondary position for women."

Could you support that information for me?

"It forbids religious freedom."

Really? You must be referring to Apostasy in Islam, Because Sharia does allow Religious freedom.

"It outlines punishment for sexual orientation."

Your right, and all those beliefs about homosexuality being bad/unnatural/immoral which committing acts of it...does actually increase chance for diseases when your anal passage gets 'stretched' But science backing what religion states about such things doesn't matter; because your right, it matters not if its good or bad but if it is Moral or Immoral to judge/impose rules on such people who practice it.

"It criminalizes consensual sex."

Sex outside of marriage? Yeah, thats not wrong either just because religion states it is immoral/wrong/disgusting doesn't mean we should criminalize the act. Just because diseases that never plagued the world.. before sex outside of marriage became rampant...Actually the Hadith states it will come to pass when; "If fornication should become widespread, you should realize that this has never happened without new diseases befalling the people, which their forebears never suffered." Wow that statement really seems about right to me but thats just me right and thats because i'm blind and ignorant? So I guess your right it can only be coincidence that the Qur'an condemned it while it was inline with what goes on today.. But just because religion says something about acts that cause diseases etc... you can't criminalize it, who is religion to say what is immoral or moral!

[Rathpig]

You address all of my points except for where I show you Saudi Arabia isn't following the Sharia as they claim

Where are the Muslim protests and boycotts of Saudi Arabia? "Islam" is merely what the Ummah accepts.

But you fail to realize what was done is against Islamic Law/Islam; ...all the bombing on Iraq was done from Air Bases in Saudi Arabia the majority of bombing constituted by the USA and the UK.

You can document this? Both the U.S. and Saudi Arabia would disagree, and the use of Diego Garcia based squadrons and carrier based aircraft would point to the technical issues with your claim.

'According to the 21 March 1998 Times Union (Albany), the UN Food and Agriculture Organization estimated that 1,000,000 Iraqis, incl. 560,000 children, died as a result of malnutrition and disease caused by the international embargo imposed following the invasion of Kuwait.'

And Saddam Hussein played absolutely no role in this situation?

Can anyone even substantiate these numbers?

"It mandates a secondary position for women."

Could you support that information for me?

Do you contend that women in Islamic/Sharia nations enjoy equal rights?

"It forbids religious freedom."

Really? You must be referring to Apostasy in Islam, Because Sharia does allow Religious freedom.

Can an atheist visit Mecca? Can a Christian or a Jew buy land and build a church in any Islamic/Sharia nation? What is the jizyah? Islam in practice and through the Koran strictly forbids any form of religious freedom. Can a Muslim declare themselves an atheist in any Islamic country without fear of harm?

"It outlines punishment for sexual orientation."

Your right...

Thank you for admitting that Islam is both homophobic, misunderstands homosexuality, and discriminates against sexual orientation by doctrine.

"It criminalizes consensual sex."

Sex outside of marriage? Yeah...you can't criminalize it, who is religion to say what is immoral or moral!

Religion, namely Abrahamism, is the basis more immorality than any other philosophy ever to exist in history. It is not the place of an authoritarian philosophy to forbid consensual adult behavior.

Who indeed would the religiously superstitious be to speak to morality? Religion has no place in the field of ethics because these systems are doctrinally unethical despite all their hollow claims.


I thank you "Risky" for adding to this thread because you have proven many of the negative points about Islam, and again Abrahamism, are ingrained in believers. The negative dogma always finds a way to the surface.