OK, it seems both Christian (myself included) and otherwise have had quite a field day for some time when disparaging the Christian fundamentalist community. I have to this day not ever heard any rebuttal from these so-called fundamentalists. How about we have a conversation among fellow Christians to flesh this out?
Questions for debate:
1) Is there a more nuanced stance regards to the fundamentalist community on this board or is it destined to be left on the intellectual scrap heap?
2) Do the fundamentalists on this board find sufficient comradery within the fundamentalist community at large or are there irreconciliable differences?
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Post #11
I imagine anything I am thinking of would revolve around this notion of intolerance - intolerance as characterized by 1) an unwillingness to accept the possibility that those rejecting Christ's message in this life may still have the same chance to retain the blessings of eternal life with Him, and 2) the insistance in keeping many (if not all?) Biblical beliefs alive and well in the public forum via the exertion of political influence.
Well, the unwillingness comes from what the Bible says. None of us deserve heaven even remotely, but because of Jesus' sacrifice, we are able to go there. If you are a Christian, what do you believe?
I honestly can't answer the second question, I don't know.
Post #12
Could you elaborate on this Biblical unwillingness? Let's first stick with fundamentalist belief before venturing into what I might believe.Allie wrote:Well, the unwillingness comes from what the Bible says. None of us deserve heaven even remotely, but because of Jesus' sacrifice, we are able to go there. If you are a Christian, what do you believe?Vanguard wrote:I imagine anything I am thinking of would revolve around this notion of intolerance - intolerance as characterized by 1) an unwillingness to accept the possibility that those rejecting Christ's message in this life may still have the same chance to retain the blessings of eternal life with Him, and 2) the insistance in keeping many (if not all?) Biblical beliefs alive and well in the public forum via the exertion of political influence.
Post #13
Could you elaborate on this Biblical unwillingness? Let's first stick with fundamentalist belief before venturing into what I might believe.
Alright, here's a verse:
John 14:6 says "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes through the father but through me."
That doesn't seem to allow exceptions. This is what I believe, because I believe the Bible is infallible. More questions?
Post #14
Are you suggesting that someone who does not accept Christ as their Savior won't get through to the father? In other words, a Hindu might worship God as he understand "him" but does that mean Christ ceases to be the way and truth for that man?Allie wrote:Could you elaborate on this Biblical unwillingness? Let's first stick with fundamentalist belief before venturing into what I might believe.
Alright, here's a verse:
John 14:6 says "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes through the father but through me."
That doesn't seem to allow exceptions. This is what I believe, because I believe the Bible is infallible. More questions?
Post #15
I apologize for taking so long to reply, I've been (and still am) on vacation. Fun!Are you suggesting that someone who does not accept Christ as their Savior won't get through to the father? In other words, a Hindu might worship God as he understand "him" but does that mean Christ ceases to be the way and truth for that man?
But anyways, I am not saying that Christ ever ceases to be the truth for anyone. I believe that (believing in) Christ is the only way for anyone to go to heaven. Christ as in Jesus Christ, not a Hindu (or any other) god.
Post #16
Well, do you believe then that folks who didn't consiously accept Christ's message in this life or folks who never heard of him can still find their way to heaven?Allie wrote:I apologize for taking so long to reply, I've been (and still am) on vacation. Fun!Are you suggesting that someone who does not accept Christ as their Savior won't get through to the father? In other words, a Hindu might worship God as he understand "him" but does that mean Christ ceases to be the way and truth for that man?
But anyways, I am not saying that Christ ever ceases to be the truth for anyone. I believe that (believing in) Christ is the only way for anyone to go to heaven. Christ as in Jesus Christ, not a Hindu (or any other) god.
Post #17
It is true that one can only be saved by faith in Jesus, however it is possible to have faith in Jesus even when one has never even heard of him as did Abraham.Allie wrote:Alright, here's a verse:
John 14:6 says "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
That doesn't seem to allow exceptions. This is what I believe, because I believe the Bible is infallible. More questions?
When Jesus talks about it in Matthew 25:34-40 he says those that do God's works of compassion will be saved, yet (I think) they will know Jesus by faith when they meet him.
I do not feel that a person is saved by accepting Christ's message, they are saved by accepting him, it is not even an intellectual thing at all. It is how a person responds to truth and love that matters, Jesus is truth and God is love.Vanguard wrote:Well, do you believe then that folks who didn't consciously accept Christ's message in this life or folks who never heard of him can still find their way to heaven?
If I ever feel the need to post on one of your boards, I will send you a copy via PM for approval before I post. That is why I joined 'Brother's Keeper', I understand my need for you and other Christians to keep me grounded, so feel free to contact me if you ever feel the need. And I think that most Christians are also willing to listen to each other.Allie wrote:I, for one, am just about always paranoid that a Christian might come onto one of my boards (from things that have happened to me, too, I'm not saying this 'just because') and rant and condemn every non-Christian I'm talking to.
"I believe in no religion. There is absolutely no proof for any of them, and from a philosophical standpoint Christianity is not even the best. All religions, that is, all mythologies to give them their proper name, are merely man’s own invention..."
C.S. Lewis
C.S. Lewis
Post #18
olavisjo wrote:It is true that one can only be saved by faith in Jesus, however it is possible to have faith in Jesus even when one has never even heard of him as did Abraham.Allie wrote:Alright, here's a verse:
John 14:6 says "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
That doesn't seem to allow exceptions. This is what I believe, because I believe the Bible is infallible. More questions?
When Jesus talks about it in Matthew 25:34-40 he says those that do God's works of compassion will be saved, yet (I think) they will know Jesus by faith when they meet him.
Well said. I could not agree with you more. In that vein, even many who are familiar with Christ but who cannot accept him for whatever reason will be accepted by him as long as they stretched toward their God-given capacities as much as and as often as they could in this life. In the end it will merely be a foregone conclusion for them to embrace the Savior and recognize it was he who inspired them all along to make the decision they did in this mortal life. That is why those who do accept his divine calling while in this temporal existance continue to treat their fellow man with the dignity they deserve as fellow brothers & sisters to a common father.olavisjo wrote:I do not feel that a person is saved by accepting Christ's message, they are saved by accepting him, it is not even an intellectual thing at all. It is how a person responds to truth and love that matters, Jesus is truth and God is love.Vanguard wrote:Well, do you believe then that folks who didn't consciously accept Christ's message in this life or folks who never heard of him can still find their way to heaven?
I do believe, however, you may run afoul of your more fundamentalist fundamentalists who claim without formally accepting the Savior in this life one will consign himself to hellfire & damnation.
Post #19
No "may" about it, been there, done that.Vanguard wrote:I do believe, however, you may run afoul of your more fundamentalist fundamentalists who claim without formally accepting the Savior in this life one will consign himself to hellfire & damnation.
