Even a fool knows there is no God!!!???

[twobitsmedia]

The fact that even a fool knows there's no God reminds me of the boy who pointed out that the emperor was naked.

TC

Another one liner without an explanation of the presumed end of someones reasoning.....is this still more logic?

1) The fact? You have not explained how you come to that conclusion. Unless it is just be randomly tossed as an empty word to deny when challenged.

2) no God? Which God do you make reference to? Which God do you say does not exist? I think there are many God which do not exists.

3) How does that connect with the "boy who pointed out that the emperer was naked?

[daedalus 2.0]

Again, since this is the THIRD open thread on this topic, I will post a THIRD time, since I don't know which one is active:


So, first, we look at Strong's Lexicon.

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/search/tr ... fool&t=KJV


Let's take Psalm 14:1 (53:1 uses identical words)
[To the chief Musician 05329 , [A Psalm] of David 01732.]] The fool 05036 hath said 0559 in his heart 03820, [There is] no God 0430. They are corrupt 07843 , they have done abominable 08581 works 05949, [there is] none that doeth 06213 good 02896.

The first thing that pops out immediately is that "god" in this context (0430) is the PLURAL: 'elohiym (Singular root: 'elowahh which means both "god" and "false god"). Elohiym is PLURAL.

So, the TRUE interpretation is "....says [there is] no gods". Ooops, I may have stumbled upon something that will make Biblists look foolish themselves! (not even good grammar! "there ARE no gods" is correct translation).

Now, the plural is sometimes used as the singular in usage but only later. In context it is plural and, in fact, is plural: gods....ssssssss... More than one.

(Why the singular can mean both "god" (small "g", btw) and "false god" is beyond me. MAybe someone else can do the leg work.)

The fool
nabal (naw-bawl')
stupid; wicked (especially impious) -- fool(-ish, -ish man, -ish woman), vile person.

Now "fool" is "nabal" in Hebrew: it means fool or stupid. This shoots WS's theory that fool can mean a wise fool. You can't be stupid and wise. (Well, maybe in a Theist's world where up can be down, but that's for another day...).

So, the Bible is calling people stupid for saying there are no gods.





Here are the refutations of Jesters claim:

- Psa 53:1 - [[To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good.

King James Version 1611, 1769
NKJV - Psa 53:1 -
PSALM 53
To the Chief Musician. Set to "Mahalath." A Contemplation of David.
THE fool has said in his heart,

"There is no God."
They are corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity;
There is none who does good.

Footnote:
Hebrew Maschil

New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson
NLT - Psa 53:1 - For the choir director: A meditation of David. Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; no one does good!

New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust
NIV - Psa 53:1 -

For the director of music. According to mahalath. Amaskil of David.

The fool says in his heart,

“There is no God.�

They are corrupt, and their ways are vile;

there is no one who does good.

New International Version © 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society
ESV - Psa 53:1 -

To the choirmaster: according to Mahalath. A Maskil of David.

The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.�
They are corrupt, doing abominable iniquity;
there is none who does good.


Footnote:
Probably musical or liturgical terms

The Holy Bible, English Standard Version © 2001 Crossway Bibles
RVR - Psa 53:1 - Dice el necio en su corazón: No hay Dios. Se han corrompido, e hicieron abominable maldad; No hay quien haga bien.

Reina-Valera copyright © 1960 Sociedades Bíblicas en América Latina; copyright © renewed 1988 United Bible Societies.
NASB - Psa 53:1 - The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God," They are corrupt, and have committed abominable injustice; There is no one who does good.

New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation
RSV - Psa 53:1 - To the choirmaster: according to Mahalath. A Maskil of David. The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, doing abominable iniquity; there is none that does good.

Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.
ASV - Psa 53:1 - For the Chief Musician; set to Mahalath. Maschil of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none that doeth good.

American Standard Version 1901 Info
Young - Psa 53:1 - To the Overseer. -- `On a disease.' -- An instruction, by David. A fool said in his heart, `There is no God.' They have done corruptly, Yea, they have done abominable iniquity, There is none doing good.

Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info
Darby - Psa 53:1 - {To the chief Musician. On Mahalath: an instruction. Of David.} The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God! They have corrupted themselves, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info
Webster - Psa 53:1 - To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, [A Psalm] of David. The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good.

Noah Webster Version 1833 Info
HNV - Psa 53:1 - For the Chief Musician. To the tune "on machalat." A maskil by David. The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity. There is no one who does good.

Hebrew Names Version 2000 Info
Vulgate - Psa 53:1 - [Vulgate 52:1] victori per chorum eruditi David dixit stultus in corde suo non est Deus [Vulgate 52:2] corrupti sunt et abominabiles facti sunt in iniquitate non est qui faciat bonum

Jerome's Latin Vulgate 405 A.D. Info

If his pastor is right, all bibles are wrong. Not a very good showing for the pious men of the evil Bible (that is, the heretical bible because it isn't Marcion's).

If his pastor is wrong, we have another example of a man of the cloth exerting his heretical authority on one of his flock.


Jester, please look at these in context:
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/search/tr ... +God&t=kjv

You will see that if you rephrase the verse to "no, god" you will essentially re-write the Bible.

For example:

Gen 40:8 And they said 0559 unto him, We have dreamed 02492 a dream 02472, and [there is] no interpreter 06622 of it. And Joseph 03130 said 0559 unto them, [Do] not interpretations 06623 [belong] to God 0430? tell me 05608 [them], I pray you.

Becomes:

Gen 40:8 And they said 0559 unto him, We have dreamed 02492 a dream 02472, and no, interpreter 06622 of it. And Joseph 03130 said 0559 unto them, [Do] not interpretations 06623 [belong] to God 0430? tell me 05608 [them], I pray you.

Why is the atheist, me, the only one looking this up?




Shall we continue?

(We can also discuss how errant the King James Version has been since its beginning!
http://www.tentmaker.org/Biblematters/KJV.htm
)

Of interest is the part:

(23) undated, "Fool" Bible, Psalm 14:1, "The fool hath said in his heart there is a God" instead of "there is no God."

I think I should use this as my signature. After all, it's in the Bible, and since it is up to interpretation, I am free to use this Bible above others.

Any objections that this Bible has authority?