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Is this typical of Islam?

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In another thread a muslim made these comments about loved ones:
How can a disbeliever be a "loved one" of a believer?
We Muslims are fond of telling our loved ones: "I love you for the sake of Allah". That which bonds believers together in mutual love, compassion and brotherhood is their shared belief in La illaha ila Allah (there is none worthy of worship except Allah), and nothing else. If someone whom I loved were to apostatize from the religion of Islam (God forbid), I would definitely be very hurt and disappointed. I would also lose all my respect and love for such a person.
To me to love someone is to accept them for who they are, flaws and all. If I have a child and that child disowns me or chooses to follow another religion rather than my own, I will still love them, because that's what love is. That child is still my own flesh and blood.

So are the quotes above standard amongsts Muslims?
Is your love conditional on others believing as you do?
Would you suddenly not love someone because they rejected Allah?
How can Muslims seriously claim their religion to be one of love with a philosophy like this?

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Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
umair wrote:all the religions(including athiesm)
Atheism is NOT a religion!


well in my opinion it is.
a religion should not be obsereved from its followers ,but from its scriptures and established facts.
because followers can be misleading.

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umair wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
umair wrote:all the religions(including athiesm)
Atheism is NOT a religion!


well in my opinion it is.
Oh? What is the dogma and confirmed religious scriptures of Atheism?
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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Reckon the dogma and scripture of atheism is science?
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joeyknuccione wrote:Reckon the dogma and scripture of atheism is science?
Nope, since I know a lot of atheists that know nothing about science.

A couple believe in psychic powers, and other off the wall pseudoscience stuff, like big foot, the lock ness monster, and faking the moon landing.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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Re: Is this typical of Islam?

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OnceConvinced wrote:In another thread a muslim made these comments about loved ones:
How can a disbeliever be a "loved one" of a believer?
We Muslims are fond of telling our loved ones: "I love you for the sake of Allah". That which bonds believers together in mutual love, compassion and brotherhood is their shared belief in La illaha ila Allah (there is none worthy of worship except Allah), and nothing else. If someone whom I loved were to apostatize from the religion of Islam (God forbid), I would definitely be very hurt and disappointed. I would also lose all my respect and love for such a person.
To me to love someone is to accept them for who they are, flaws and all. If I have a child and that child disowns me or chooses to follow another religion rather than my own, I will still love them, because that's what love is. That child is still my own flesh and blood.

So are the quotes above standard amongsts Muslims?
Is your love conditional on others believing as you do?
Would you suddenly not love someone because they rejected Allah?
How can Muslims seriously claim their religion to be one of love with a philosophy like this?
I will ask my Muslim friends and tell you what they say. But, I don't know how anyone, muslim or not, can be qualified to claim what is the standard feeling amongsts Muslims.

But as of right now, I can only speak for myself.

No, I couldn't and wouldn't stop loving someone because they rejected Allah and Islam.

I love my brother as much, maybe more, as I did when he was a Muslim. If you believe that your way of life and believing is the "right" way, and you see someone you love choose a different way (one that you don't agree with) I don't imagine how one couldn't be sadden by that. But, he is as much entitled to his opinion as I am to mine.

I agree with you. To love someone is to accept them for who they are, flaws and all.
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umair wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
umair wrote:all the religions(including athiesm)
Atheism is NOT a religion!


well in my opinion it is.
Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair colour.
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umair wrote:Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
umair wrote:
all the religions(including athiesm)

Atheism is NOT a religion!




well in my opinion it is.
I've about had my fill of seeing this. I'm not able to comprehend the mental processes it takes to consider atheism a religion. But what does that make me? What does that say about agnosticism and skeptcism? Are those a religion too?
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umair wrote:Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
umair wrote:
all the religions(including athiesm)

Atheism is NOT a religion!

well in my opinion it is.
Atheism is not a religion. But then again neither is theism. Theism, the belief that there is a God or there are gods, is an integral part of many religions, but by itself, it is not a religion. Neither is atheism.
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