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blondiefreak890
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Post #1Ive heard many valued opinions of my friends and ppl ive met.They all have very different opinions.Some say god is really others say he's something ppl made up just to turn to for guidence when thier confused.Now i want to kno the truth is there really god?If so what is the proof?
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Re: God
Post #42Proof is not available.blondiefreak890 wrote:Ive heard many valued opinions of my friends and ppl ive met.They all have very different opinions.Some say god is really others say he's something ppl made up just to turn to for guidence when thier confused.Now i want to kno the truth is there really god?If so what is the proof?
If you are ready to believe that someone has a true claim to contact with God, you have that claim in me.
I do not talk to God daily as some claim. Mostly fundamentalists and others who read the Bible literally.
I have had one "conversation" only with the Godhead.
The only message of importance is that He exists.
Perhaps the faith spoken of in the Bible is to be from human to human as well as human to God.
Look and you will find.
Ask and it will be given to you.
Regards
DL
Post #43
When Hunter-gatherers reached the instinct of crude governance were intrigued of lightning struck that started fire. They knew that something was in the space but could not understand.
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As instinct of dominance improved ... rules were laid down and created god based on myth, dreams and visions in order to provide projected authority. Then cults went hand in hand with the rules. From cults ... evolved several religious dogmas, backed by anathema in order to maintain their hold. Religious cults became source of authority and during the Pre-Renaissance period produced several reference of faith ... the OT... but then energy was not fully identified by the writers so they just projected some image to moved social feeling. And until now ... there is no precise identification of God, the true nature of Being and the composite. Only religion continue to flourish because of traditional faith fitted with religious anathema..
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As instinct of dominance improved ... rules were laid down and created god based on myth, dreams and visions in order to provide projected authority. Then cults went hand in hand with the rules. From cults ... evolved several religious dogmas, backed by anathema in order to maintain their hold. Religious cults became source of authority and during the Pre-Renaissance period produced several reference of faith ... the OT... but then energy was not fully identified by the writers so they just projected some image to moved social feeling. And until now ... there is no precise identification of God, the true nature of Being and the composite. Only religion continue to flourish because of traditional faith fitted with religious anathema..
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Post #44
I offer that the "possibility" of God is always there, whether you do any research into the matter or not.Deborah wrote:
I agree that at this time god can not be proved. but if you research and study you come up with the possability of god.
Through logic, God will never be "disproven", and therefore is always a possibility. You can't prove a negative. However, his ever-declining role in explaining the unknown is alone cause enough to make one take a step back and re-examine their belief.
I think you might enjoy reading up on Pastafarianism. It shows how many common arguments that claim to prove the existence of God (or an intelligent designer, at any rate) are fallacious in ways that I could only replicate. And, at any rate, it's good for a few giggles from anyone.
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I offer that the "possibility" of God is always there, whether you do any research into the matter or not.Deborah wrote:
I agree that at this time god can not be proved. but if you research and study you come up with the possability of god.
Through logic, God will never be "disproven", and therefore is always a possibility. You can't prove a negative. However, his ever-declining role in explaining the unknown is alone cause enough to make one take a step back and re-examine their belief.
I think you might enjoy reading up on Pastafarianism. It shows how many common arguments that claim to prove the existence of God (or an intelligent designer, at any rate) are fallacious in ways that I could only replicate. And, at any rate, it's good for a few giggles from anyone.
Post #47
Nobody really truly knows the answer to that. In fact, we may never know the real answer, but I hope we will. I feel that we know nothing and are all trying desperatly to find the answer and are all sadly failing. There's not much point searching when we cannot find the answer. It's quite funny really.
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Post #48
Hey,
I think the unknown is far more exciting, than the known.
When I was a little squirt barely Thirteen, I walked into Mrs. Macintyre’s English class. Which still had the remnants of a chalk dust in the air. Strolling ever so confidently to the seat. Learning shall now begin, with a hunched head, admiring the years of graffiti, from the past individuals now living the high life somewhere. Waiting for the teacher to arrive, daring to acquaint with the eyes of others. Bumbling and fumbling with my dog eared pockets, zipping and again unzipping school’s fleece, trying to mimic fashions exactitude’s. Meanwhile the motion of all things about to be rolling along, silently but steadily arriving.
The sweaty plastic synthetic fleece rubbing against some unlucky person beside me, the stressed requirements of academia. Checking the seconds going by, clock hand ticking, hand up I have a question, where is the English teacher. Strange it seems how difficult it is to learn. Until in that very moment I begin to understand as a timid girl turns around. Her eyes searching mine politely saying, the teacher is nice and will be here shortly. How wrong she was, the women was scary as corpus Christy nether-the-less, a genius in her own right. We studied Shakespearean language the wonders of the world, debated ethical issues of nature verses nurture.
All the while my instinctual nature resting forever on her shoulders
Lets focus on the living, and forget about the life after death.
Regards,
Simon
I think the unknown is far more exciting, than the known.
When I was a little squirt barely Thirteen, I walked into Mrs. Macintyre’s English class. Which still had the remnants of a chalk dust in the air. Strolling ever so confidently to the seat. Learning shall now begin, with a hunched head, admiring the years of graffiti, from the past individuals now living the high life somewhere. Waiting for the teacher to arrive, daring to acquaint with the eyes of others. Bumbling and fumbling with my dog eared pockets, zipping and again unzipping school’s fleece, trying to mimic fashions exactitude’s. Meanwhile the motion of all things about to be rolling along, silently but steadily arriving.
The sweaty plastic synthetic fleece rubbing against some unlucky person beside me, the stressed requirements of academia. Checking the seconds going by, clock hand ticking, hand up I have a question, where is the English teacher. Strange it seems how difficult it is to learn. Until in that very moment I begin to understand as a timid girl turns around. Her eyes searching mine politely saying, the teacher is nice and will be here shortly. How wrong she was, the women was scary as corpus Christy nether-the-less, a genius in her own right. We studied Shakespearean language the wonders of the world, debated ethical issues of nature verses nurture.
All the while my instinctual nature resting forever on her shoulders
Lets focus on the living, and forget about the life after death.
Regards,
Simon
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Post #49
So, I really don't know how to respond to the latest entries here. It doesn't seem like alot of you are taking the subject in any particular direction.
"...it's being is far from the biblical myth."
This seems to me like someone who claims to know the true form of god. If that poster could provide proof for that claim, or at least elaborate on what the post was supposed to mean, there'd be a whole new direction to take this discussion.
"Nobody really truly knows the answer to that."
While there are some who would swear otherwise, I agree with you. However, it seems the purpose for a forum such as this is to debate on the beliefs you personally hold. It's a learning experience, and simply saying that no one knows doesn't really help further any kind of point... unless your point was to argue against those who claim to know for sure.
"I think the unknown is far more exciting, than the known. Lets focus on the living, and forget about the life after death."
Again, I think this is one of the central ideas behind this forum. One of the main differences between believers and non-believers is the unknown after death. Sure, the unknown is exciting. The unknown is what keeps people searching, be it in science, philosophy, or religion. But, in my experience, the only way to even speculate on the unknown is to refer back to what is known... I was really going somewhere with that, but I fear I might misinterpret the authors intended message... as is, it's a bit of a non-sequitur. Finally, the living is what discussions like these are all about. It's an important question to ask when determining how to live your life. If you believe god exists and his word is the bible (or some other holy text), then you are required through that belief to follow the rules laid out for you. If you decide you don't believe, then you have to determine what set of rules would make your life most enjoyable. So, in short, yes, this is very much focused on the living.
I'd love to get a good discussion going here, as I think this is an excellent thread to post in.
"...it's being is far from the biblical myth."
This seems to me like someone who claims to know the true form of god. If that poster could provide proof for that claim, or at least elaborate on what the post was supposed to mean, there'd be a whole new direction to take this discussion.
"Nobody really truly knows the answer to that."
While there are some who would swear otherwise, I agree with you. However, it seems the purpose for a forum such as this is to debate on the beliefs you personally hold. It's a learning experience, and simply saying that no one knows doesn't really help further any kind of point... unless your point was to argue against those who claim to know for sure.
"I think the unknown is far more exciting, than the known. Lets focus on the living, and forget about the life after death."
Again, I think this is one of the central ideas behind this forum. One of the main differences between believers and non-believers is the unknown after death. Sure, the unknown is exciting. The unknown is what keeps people searching, be it in science, philosophy, or religion. But, in my experience, the only way to even speculate on the unknown is to refer back to what is known... I was really going somewhere with that, but I fear I might misinterpret the authors intended message... as is, it's a bit of a non-sequitur. Finally, the living is what discussions like these are all about. It's an important question to ask when determining how to live your life. If you believe god exists and his word is the bible (or some other holy text), then you are required through that belief to follow the rules laid out for you. If you decide you don't believe, then you have to determine what set of rules would make your life most enjoyable. So, in short, yes, this is very much focused on the living.
I'd love to get a good discussion going here, as I think this is an excellent thread to post in.
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Re: God
Post #50These are the types of claims I was referring to in my previous post (by the way, my sincere apologies if this turns out to be a double). In no objective setting or reproducable manner has contact with the supernatural been proven (that I'm aware of). Of course, the simple truth that you believe it happened to you is enough to have made up your mind on the subject. However, it seems here that you are attempting to use your supernatural experience with the alleged "Godhead" to influence the views of another.Greatest I Am wrote:Proof is not available.blondiefreak890 wrote:Ive heard many valued opinions of my friends and ppl ive met.They all have very different opinions.Some say god is really others say he's something ppl made up just to turn to for guidence when thier confused.Now i want to kno the truth is there really god?If so what is the proof?
If you are ready to believe that someone has a true claim to contact with God, you have that claim in me.
I do not talk to God daily as some claim. Mostly fundamentalists and others who read the Bible literally.
I have had one "conversation" only with the Godhead.
The only message of importance is that He exists.
Perhaps the faith spoken of in the Bible is to be from human to human as well as human to God.
Look and you will find.
Ask and it will be given to you.
Regards
DL
Oh, and just for argument's sake:
If any of you are ready to believe that someone has a true claim to contact with god, I'll sell you stock in my imaginary company.
I would be very interested to hear the circumstances of said conversation, most particularly your mental state of mind. I, too, once believed that I had been contacted (in a sense) by god. I was in a state of emotional turmoil and was looking anywhere I could for comfort. I concluded after the fact that I had tricked myself into feeling comforted, when all I really did was admit my own inability to cope with the situation. Mentally washing my hands of the whole mess was what comforted me, not god.
Another question I would ask of you is why is it that you were chosen over anyone else to speak with this being? I have many friends who are staunch believers, and yet they claim no supernatural experiences. I'm not saying there is a correct answer of any kind, I'd just like your thoughts on the matter.
