My opinion on religion debates

[Michaelas10]

A dumbed-down summarization:

"Your god is as real as any other god or gods"
"But there's evidence that shows he's the true one, for example the Bible"
"The Bible doesn't count as evidence as it goes against science, and most everything we see can be explained through other methods"
"But it's a test of faith. God wouldn't show evidence through science"
"Your god is as real as any other god or gods"
etc. etc.

Discuss.

[ablessedman50]

I don't quite get your statement that the bible goes against Science & therefore doesn't count as evidence. There is nothing in PROVEN Science that contradicts the Bible. Theories don't count, I have theories about many things & they have no value at all. The Bible is one of the oldest documents on earth & the best scientific record available & is backed up by many other writers & books.

[Goat]

I don't quite get your statement that the bible goes against Science & therefore doesn't count as evidence. There is nothing in PROVEN Science that contradicts the Bible. Theories don't count, I have theories about many things & they have no value at all. The Bible is one of the oldest documents on earth & the best scientific record available & is backed up by many other writers & books.

It seems that you do not have an understanding about what a scientific theory is. There are facts that have shown the literal reading of the bible is incorrect (in other words, it has been falsified). For example, it has been demonstrated that the world is older than 6000 years old, and that there was no global wide flood (despite the desperate claims of some believers)

However, in science, theory is the best it can get. A theory is a model that explains the available data, makes predictions, and can be tested. It keeps on getting tested over and over again until needs to be discarded, or modified.

You are using the logical fallacy of equivocation, because the theory you are talking about would be called a 'hypothesis' in scientific terms.

There are also many many older writings than the Bible. We do not have any of the original copies of any of the manuscripts either. On the other hand, we have a copy of the Ugartic Bible, from which many of the Psalms were adapted, that dates to 1400 bce.

[jamesearl]

I don't quite get your statement that the bible goes against Science & therefore doesn't count as evidence. There is nothing in PROVEN Science that contradicts the Bible. Theories don't count, I have theories about many things & they have no value at all. The Bible is one of the oldest documents on earth & the best scientific record available & is backed up by many other writers & books.

What about Evolution?

Evolution is a fact, does that not go against the ones 'believing' the Bible? Just as one small example.

[Confused]

A dumbed-down summarization:

"Your god is as real as any other god or gods"
"But there's evidence that shows he's the true one, for example the Bible"
"The Bible doesn't count as evidence as it goes against science, and most everything we see can be explained through other methods"
"But it's a test of faith. God wouldn't show evidence through science"
"Your god is as real as any other god or gods"
etc. etc.

Discuss.

Ok. What is your point here?

[ablessedman50]

Sorry, Darwins Theory of Evolution is just that a theory. Why do you think there is a missing link.? Simple, there is no link ....

There are many proven facts of Science. A theory is just that a theory. Proven Science is just that proven beyond a doubt..

I see so many people stating this crap about the Bible saying the world is only 6K years old, not so.. Creation week is actually a reforming of what was already there. The Bible says the earth was void & with out form, when God reshaped it, not that he had just created it. Life was what was created during this time. One more point God is all powerful & could make an object as old as he likes. I imagine him having a good laugh every now & then when scientists study the Grand Canyon, you know, the one scientists say was carved by the Colorado River.. What a laugh!! Where are the Trillions of metric tons of Debris this would have caused. It would have created a delta large enough to be a small country, where is it??

[upallnite]

One more point God is all powerful & could make an object as old as he likes.

So that settles it. Odin made the world last Tuesday.

where is it??

The ocean.

Please go get pwnd in the science forum.

[Goat]

Sorry, Darwins Theory of Evolution is just that a theory. Why do you think there is a missing link.? Simple, there is no link ....

And here you make the logical fallacy of 'equivocation'. There term 'theory' when it comes to science is not the 'theory' of the layman terms. In science, theory is as good as it gets. A theory is a model that explains why something happens. It has to be testable, falsifiable , and make predictions. Evolution is as much a fact as gravity is. Evolution happens, The theory of evolution is a model that trys to explain HOW it happens.

There are many proven facts of Science. A theory is just that a theory. Proven Science is just that proven beyond a doubt..

The fact that evolution happens is proven beyond a doubt, except for those people who have religious objections to it. The TOE is a model that explains how it happens. IT just so happens to be a pretty robust model, since it has not been able to be falsified with 150 years of trying and testing for it.

I also see you don't know geology either. You might want to actually read up on what geologists say about the Colorado river, and what evolutionary biologists say about biological evolution so you don't keep on making straw man attacks on them.
I mean, if you are going to argue against something, use what is actually being said, rather than false arguments.