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Does Satan control the Powerball Lottery?

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Now as you all know, I believe in God. I think he is real and I think that for a time he guided mankind. However, I am increasingly holding the opinion that God is standing aside and allowing us to take a path.

I found this and was Going to post it in the regular forums but I want to run it past here first . . .

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/15 ... etail.html

Now, tell me that God directly intervenes in the affairs of men. I can not accept it.
It is a first class human tragedy that people of the earth who claim to believe in the message of Jesus, whom they describe as the Prince of Peace, show little of that belief in actual practice.

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Re: Does Satan control the Powerball Lottery?

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achilles12604 wrote:
alexiarose wrote:
achilles12604 wrote:Now as you all know, I believe in God. I think he is real and I think that for a time he guided mankind. However, I am increasingly holding the opinion that God is standing aside and allowing us to take a path.

I found this and was Going to post it in the regular forums but I want to run it past here first . . .

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/15 ... etail.html

Now, tell me that God directly intervenes in the affairs of men. I can not accept it.
Are you serious? Jesus specifically says not to give a darn about material possessions. Why in the heck would He care who wins the lottery? If this is the reason you cannot accept Gods interventions, then I would suggest you return to understanding what God values. It certainly isn't how much jewelry, fancy cars, or big houses you can buy.

The heresy must be going to your brain. We should return to the basic foundations of Christianity to be reminded of what we really mean to God and what He really wants of us.
If material possessions are not important why not give the 10 mil to a hopeless family with 5 adopted kids from troubled family backgrounds (not hypothetical)?
What makes you think God even cares about money? He tells you in scripture, one can love God or love money, but not both. Do you think He is that involved in such trivial things of human construct?

Material possessions aren't important, so why consider them at all. We give what we can to help others (I obviously give more time than money since I don't have any money, duh). That is our job.
And if I have learned anything from mom, it is this: There is no such thing as hopeless.
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alexiarose wrote:
achilles12604 wrote:
alexiarose wrote:
achilles12604 wrote:Now as you all know, I believe in God. I think he is real and I think that for a time he guided mankind. However, I am increasingly holding the opinion that God is standing aside and allowing us to take a path.

I found this and was Going to post it in the regular forums but I want to run it past here first . . .

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/15 ... etail.html

Now, tell me that God directly intervenes in the affairs of men. I can not accept it.
Are you serious? Jesus specifically says not to give a darn about material possessions. Why in the heck would He care who wins the lottery? If this is the reason you cannot accept Gods interventions, then I would suggest you return to understanding what God values. It certainly isn't how much jewelry, fancy cars, or big houses you can buy.

The heresy must be going to your brain. We should return to the basic foundations of Christianity to be reminded of what we really mean to God and what He really wants of us.
If material possessions are not important why not give the 10 mil to a hopeless family with 5 adopted kids from troubled family backgrounds (not hypothetical)?
What makes you think God even cares about money? He tells you in scripture, one can love God or love money, but not both. Do you think He is that involved in such trivial things of human construct?

Material possessions aren't important, so why consider them at all. We give what we can to help others (I obviously give more time than money since I don't have any money, duh). That is our job.
And if I have learned anything from mom, it is this: There is no such thing as hopeless.
Jesus understood that after his ministry, his followers would need provisions. They would need food and shelter and protection.

Money is certainly not all that is important. However even Jesus understood that it was necessary. Care for me to cite verses?
It is a first class human tragedy that people of the earth who claim to believe in the message of Jesus, whom they describe as the Prince of Peace, show little of that belief in actual practice.

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achilles12604 wrote:
alexiarose wrote:
achilles12604 wrote:
alexiarose wrote:
achilles12604 wrote:Now as you all know, I believe in God. I think he is real and I think that for a time he guided mankind. However, I am increasingly holding the opinion that God is standing aside and allowing us to take a path.

I found this and was Going to post it in the regular forums but I want to run it past here first . . .

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/15 ... etail.html

Now, tell me that God directly intervenes in the affairs of men. I can not accept it.
Are you serious? Jesus specifically says not to give a darn about material possessions. Why in the heck would He care who wins the lottery? If this is the reason you cannot accept Gods interventions, then I would suggest you return to understanding what God values. It certainly isn't how much jewelry, fancy cars, or big houses you can buy.

The heresy must be going to your brain. We should return to the basic foundations of Christianity to be reminded of what we really mean to God and what He really wants of us.
If material possessions are not important why not give the 10 mil to a hopeless family with 5 adopted kids from troubled family backgrounds (not hypothetical)?
What makes you think God even cares about money? He tells you in scripture, one can love God or love money, but not both. Do you think He is that involved in such trivial things of human construct?

Material possessions aren't important, so why consider them at all. We give what we can to help others (I obviously give more time than money since I don't have any money, duh). That is our job.
And if I have learned anything from mom, it is this: There is no such thing as hopeless.
Jesus understood that after his ministry, his followers would need provisions. They would need f

food and shelter and protection.

Money is certainly not all that is important. However even Jesus understood that it was necessary. Care for me to cite verses?
Matthew 6:24"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.
Hebrews 13:5Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."
Matthew 6:25 "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes?
Matthew 6:33-34 33But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
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13Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14They came to him and said, "Teacher, we know you are a man of integrity. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not? 15Should we pay or shouldn't we?"

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. "Why are you trying to trap me?" he asked. "Bring me a denarius and let me look at it." 16They brought the coin, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"
"Caesar's," they replied.

17Then Jesus said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."
And they were amazed at him.
35Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?"
"Nothing," they answered.

36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'[a];
24After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax came to Peter and asked, "Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?"

25"Yes, he does," he replied.
When Peter came into the house, Jesus was the first to speak. "What do you think, Simon?" he asked. "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own sons or from others?"

26"From others," Peter answered.

"Then the sons are exempt," Jesus said to him. 27"But so that we may not offend them, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours."


You are right. Money should not be the sole focus of our lives. But it is a necessity and even Jesus understood this.

Should we live for money? The verses you cited make it clear that we should not. But should be abandon it all together? Again no.

So if someone is going to win 10 mil, and God does interact with man on a daily basis, then why not let someone win who needs it? Or better yet deserves it? Someone who will do good with it?

I think God is watching us. But I don't think he is involved in the day to day interactions of mankind any more.
It is a first class human tragedy that people of the earth who claim to believe in the message of Jesus, whom they describe as the Prince of Peace, show little of that belief in actual practice.

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achilles12604 wrote:
I think God is watching us. But I don't think he is involved in the day to day interactions of mankind any more.
But satan is in control of the lottery? Right?

I disagree. I think He is always with us, by default, He is always involved. He gives us strength when needed and carries us when we can't carry ourselves. He does just turn His back and reject the lost like some Christians.
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alexiarose wrote:
achilles12604 wrote:
I think God is watching us. But I don't think he is involved in the day to day interactions of mankind any more.
But satan is in control of the lottery? Right?

I disagree. I think He is always with us, by default, He is always involved. He gives us strength when needed and carries us when we can't carry ourselves. He does just turn His back and reject the lost like some Christians.
I don't think he turns his back either. But I also don't think he is a vending machine. "pray hard enough and you will receive." "Have enough faith and you will receive". "You didn't receive because you don't really have faith".

These and many more lines are used by people who think God is directly involved in our lives. And I frankly find these sorts of promises irritating.

And as for Christians who turn their backs, I agree. Someone who turns their back is not someone I deal with very well.
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achilles12604 wrote:
alexiarose wrote:
achilles12604 wrote:
I think God is watching us. But I don't think he is involved in the day to day interactions of mankind any more.
But satan is in control of the lottery? Right?

I disagree. I think He is always with us, by default, He is always involved. He gives us strength when needed and carries us when we can't carry ourselves. He does just turn His back and reject the lost like some Christians.
I don't think he turns his back either. But I also don't think he is a vending machine. "pray hard enough and you will receive." "Have enough faith and you will receive". "You didn't receive because you don't really have faith".

These and many more lines are used by people who think God is directly involved in our lives. And I frankly find these sorts of promises irritating.

And as for Christians who turn their backs, I agree. Someone who turns their back is not someone I deal with very well.
I don't mean to suggest He is a vending machine. But I do think He maintains a presence in all of us and by default alone, he is involved in our daily lives because He is a part of us.
A person can ask for something until they are blue in the face. God knows when they really need it and what they really need.

I turned my back and I am sorry for it.
Its all just one big puzzle.
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