suicide centers

[achilles12604]

Ok, I finally decided to bring this up as a topic.

Is anything morally, theologically, socially, or any other "ally" wrong with government run suicide centers?

All I see are benefits if the program is run correctly. Rules would certainly need to be in place but with good rules, I think it would be beneficial to both society, and the individuals.

Just think. For someone suffering with Alzheimer's they could simply decide to end it all. They would have time to set their affairs in order. Notify their family of their decision. Make arrangements. Then go to a warm, clean, comfortable environment sit down with a great last meal, watch a good movie, and go to sleep forever.

That sounds like a pretty darn sweet way to go. Anything wrong with this?

[Goat]

Ok, I finally decided to bring this up as a topic.

Is anything morally, theologically, socially, or any other "ally" wrong with government run suicide centers?

All I see are benefits if the program is run correctly. Rules would certainly need to be in place but with good rules, I think it would be beneficial to both society, and the individuals.

Just think. For someone suffering with Alzheimer's they could simply decide to end it all. They would have time to set their affairs in order. Notify their family of their decision. Make arrangements. Then go to a warm, clean, comfortable environment sit down with a great last meal, watch a good movie, and go to sleep forever.

That sounds like a pretty darn sweet way to go. Anything wrong with this?

I know several people who are suicidal by nature. One of them doesn't need to be, the other has very good reason to be. It would have to be very very carefully run.

Generally though, when it comes to alzheimers, if you are clear enough minded ot make that choice, it is too early. If you aren't, it's too late for you to make an informed choice.

[achilles12604]

Ok, I finally decided to bring this up as a topic.

Is anything morally, theologically, socially, or any other "ally" wrong with government run suicide centers?

All I see are benefits if the program is run correctly. Rules would certainly need to be in place but with good rules, I think it would be beneficial to both society, and the individuals.

Just think. For someone suffering with Alzheimer's they could simply decide to end it all. They would have time to set their affairs in order. Notify their family of their decision. Make arrangements. Then go to a warm, clean, comfortable environment sit down with a great last meal, watch a good movie, and go to sleep forever.

That sounds like a pretty darn sweet way to go. Anything wrong with this?

I know several people who are suicidal by nature. One of them doesn't need to be, the other has very good reason to be. It would have to be very very carefully run.

Generally though, when it comes to alzheimers, if you are clear enough minded ot make that choice, it is too early. If you aren't, it's too late for you to make an informed choice.

I'm not sure that I would consider there to be a to early.

If I had it, I certainly would make the choice to go before I became so bad I could no longer make the choice. Like I said, at least I wouldn't have to suffer and I could put my life in order.

How about AIDS? Would you consider there a "to early" with this sickness?

[Goat]

Ok, I finally decided to bring this up as a topic.

Is anything morally, theologically, socially, or any other "ally" wrong with government run suicide centers?

All I see are benefits if the program is run correctly. Rules would certainly need to be in place but with good rules, I think it would be beneficial to both society, and the individuals.

Just think. For someone suffering with Alzheimer's they could simply decide to end it all. They would have time to set their affairs in order. Notify their family of their decision. Make arrangements. Then go to a warm, clean, comfortable environment sit down with a great last meal, watch a good movie, and go to sleep forever.

That sounds like a pretty darn sweet way to go. Anything wrong with this?

I know several people who are suicidal by nature. One of them doesn't need to be, the other has very good reason to be. It would have to be very very carefully run.

Generally though, when it comes to alzheimers, if you are clear enough minded ot make that choice, it is too early. If you aren't, it's too late for you to make an informed choice.

I'm not sure that I would consider there to be a to early.

If I had it, I certainly would make the choice to go before I became so bad I could no longer make the choice. Like I said, at least I wouldn't have to suffer and I could put my life in order.

How about AIDS? Would you consider there a "to early" with this sickness?

That is a tough one, but yes. I consider there to be a too early when it comes to AIDS. In the U.S. at least, people can live healthy and productive lives with the
proper treatment. There have been people in the mid 90's that were given less than a month to live, and are still alive today because of the new treatments that came out. If the treatments are starting to fail, and the person is getting sick, then
that perhaps. That is not a disease that robs the mental clarity. There are certain diseases I can not give a proper answer for. I am not sure I like the idea of a center, but I would not mind doctor assisted suicide within certain parameters.

[achilles12604]

Ok, I finally decided to bring this up as a topic.

Is anything morally, theologically, socially, or any other "ally" wrong with government run suicide centers?

All I see are benefits if the program is run correctly. Rules would certainly need to be in place but with good rules, I think it would be beneficial to both society, and the individuals.

Just think. For someone suffering with Alzheimer's they could simply decide to end it all. They would have time to set their affairs in order. Notify their family of their decision. Make arrangements. Then go to a warm, clean, comfortable environment sit down with a great last meal, watch a good movie, and go to sleep forever.

That sounds like a pretty darn sweet way to go. Anything wrong with this?

I know several people who are suicidal by nature. One of them doesn't need to be, the other has very good reason to be. It would have to be very very carefully run.

Generally though, when it comes to alzheimers, if you are clear enough minded ot make that choice, it is too early. If you aren't, it's too late for you to make an informed choice.

I'm not sure that I would consider there to be a to early.

If I had it, I certainly would make the choice to go before I became so bad I could no longer make the choice. Like I said, at least I wouldn't have to suffer and I could put my life in order.

How about AIDS? Would you consider there a "to early" with this sickness?

That is a tough one, but yes. I consider there to be a too early when it comes to AIDS. In the U.S. at least, people can live healthy and productive lives with the
proper treatment. There have been people in the mid 90's that were given less than a month to live, and are still alive today because of the new treatments that came out. If the treatments are starting to fail, and the person is getting sick, then
that perhaps. That is not a disease that robs the mental clarity. There are certain diseases I can not give a proper answer for. I am not sure I like the idea of a center, but I would not mind doctor assisted suicide within certain parameters.

Hmm. Ok question just for you.


How about someone who is simply tired of life? No medical issues. But they have no family, no job, no friends. They are simply tired of trying and tired of existing.

Should these people have the option? Why or why not?

[Goat]

Hmm. Ok question just for you.
How about someone who is simply tired of life? No medical issues. But they have no family, no job, no friends. They are simply tired of trying and tired of existing.

Should these people have the option? Why or why not?

That is a very tough issue. I believe in an individuals right to make choices in their own life, but that seems to be so.. so.. extreme. I think that help should be provided to help them find meaning in their life, but I don't think that the government should provide assistance for them to end it. On the other hand, if they do attempt and do not succeed, if they did it in a manner than did not endanger other people, there should be no penalty.

If someone really wants to commit suicide, they will be able to find a method. If they are just asking for help.. well .. that is a different matter

[achilles12604]

Hmm. Ok question just for you.
How about someone who is simply tired of life? No medical issues. But they have no family, no job, no friends. They are simply tired of trying and tired of existing.

Should these people have the option? Why or why not?

That is a very tough issue. I believe in an individuals right to make choices in their own life, but that seems to be so.. so.. extreme. I think that help should be provided to help them find meaning in their life, but I don't think that the government should provide assistance for them to end it. On the other hand, if they do attempt and do not succeed, if they did it in a manner than did not endanger other people, there should be no penalty.

If someone really wants to commit suicide, they will be able to find a method. If they are just asking for help.. well .. that is a different matter

So like the ancient concept of abortion, if you really want to do it, go find a twig and do it yourself, but no one can help you.

Does this sum it up?

[Goat]

Hmm. Ok question just for you.
How about someone who is simply tired of life? No medical issues. But they have no family, no job, no friends. They are simply tired of trying and tired of existing.

Should these people have the option? Why or why not?

That is a very tough issue. I believe in an individuals right to make choices in their own life, but that seems to be so.. so.. extreme. I think that help should be provided to help them find meaning in their life, but I don't think that the government should provide assistance for them to end it. On the other hand, if they do attempt and do not succeed, if they did it in a manner than did not endanger other people, there should be no penalty.

If someone really wants to commit suicide, they will be able to find a method. If they are just asking for help.. well .. that is a different matter

So like the ancient concept of abortion, if you really want to do it, go find a twig and do it yourself, but no one can help you.

Does this sum it up?

Hum.. there was always help with abortion.. many herbs were used as natural ways to induce miscarriages for generations. There was always help out there.
It wasn't until it was made illegal that you found botched home made abortion attempts.

[achilles12604]

Hmm. Ok question just for you.
How about someone who is simply tired of life? No medical issues. But they have no family, no job, no friends. They are simply tired of trying and tired of existing.

Should these people have the option? Why or why not?

That is a very tough issue. I believe in an individuals right to make choices in their own life, but that seems to be so.. so.. extreme. I think that help should be provided to help them find meaning in their life, but I don't think that the government should provide assistance for them to end it. On the other hand, if they do attempt and do not succeed, if they did it in a manner than did not endanger other people, there should be no penalty.

If someone really wants to commit suicide, they will be able to find a method. If they are just asking for help.. well .. that is a different matter

So like the ancient concept of abortion, if you really want to do it, go find a twig and do it yourself, but no one can help you.

Does this sum it up?

Hum.. there was always help with abortion.. many herbs were used as natural ways to induce miscarriages for generations. There was always help out there.
It wasn't until it was made illegal that you found botched home made abortion attempts.

But bottom line, you were the one who actually did it. Not someone else right?

So if someone wants to end their life, they should attempt to do it themselves regardless at what risk to others, or at risk of serious injury for failing. Then this results in more hospital time and money being spent to fix you so you can try again.

I don't think that this is a superior idea to providing someone with a clean, comfortable and most importantly error free method. Not to many do it yourselfers anymore. Almost everyone hires a professional to get it done right the first time without making a huge mess and adding expenses.

[Goat]

Hmm. Ok question just for you.
How about someone who is simply tired of life? No medical issues. But they have no family, no job, no friends. They are simply tired of trying and tired of existing.

Should these people have the option? Why or why not?

That is a very tough issue. I believe in an individuals right to make choices in their own life, but that seems to be so.. so.. extreme. I think that help should be provided to help them find meaning in their life, but I don't think that the government should provide assistance for them to end it. On the other hand, if they do attempt and do not succeed, if they did it in a manner than did not endanger other people, there should be no penalty.

If someone really wants to commit suicide, they will be able to find a method. If they are just asking for help.. well .. that is a different matter

So like the ancient concept of abortion, if you really want to do it, go find a twig and do it yourself, but no one can help you.

Does this sum it up?

Hum.. there was always help with abortion.. many herbs were used as natural ways to induce miscarriages for generations. There was always help out there.
It wasn't until it was made illegal that you found botched home made abortion attempts.

But bottom line, you were the one who actually did it. Not someone else right?

So if someone wants to end their life, they should attempt to do it themselves regardless at what risk to others, or at risk of serious injury for failing. Then this results in more hospital time and money being spent to fix you so you can try again.

I don't think that this is a superior idea to providing someone with a clean, comfortable and most importantly error free method. Not to many do it yourselfers anymore. Almost everyone hires a professional to get it done right the first time without making a huge mess and adding expenses.

I would say there are points to be made, however, it would have to be done very very carefully, since there could be abuses to the system.