Islam the religion of Peace?

[carolineislands]

Is Islam a religion of peace? What about the following claims -- are these Quranic teachings? Do they prove that violence and cruelty is an integral part of Islam? After the references, I'll also post current events.

The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the "non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water" (14:17). It asks the Muslims to "slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter" (5:34). And tells us that "for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (22:19-22) and that they not only will have "disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire)" (22:9). The Qur'an says that "those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy" (25:68). For those who "believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!" (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be "harsh with unbelievers", our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a "stern command": "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour" (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that "it is good for us even if we dislike it" (2:216). Then he advises us to "strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (47:4). Our God has promised to "instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers" and has ordered us to "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill in his name "it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself" (8:17). He orders us "to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies" (8:60). He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that "Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed" (9:73). He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will "wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones" (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). He also promises "boys like hidden pearls" (56:24) and "youth never altering in age like scattered pearls" (for those who have pedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find "goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni" (56:67-71). In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced everywhere (8:39).

As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to "take a green branch and beat your wife", because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.

Above excerpt from http://tinyurl.com/j3bf4






I fail to see the peace in this religion.

[muhammad rasullah]

read the story of Lut in the bible it says that she disobeyed the command which was given to her because she didn't believe. she was told to run and not to turn back or she wuld turn into a pillar of salt and she disobeyed and looked back. read it, it's in the bible!!!

Yes, but god itself told her not to look back — the order didn’t come from her husband!

The order did come from her husband it did not come from God. The angels came to Lut and told him to take his family with him then lut told his family what the angels said. Genesis 19:15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. 16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city. 17 And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed. 24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; 25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. 26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

By not obeying Lut the messenger of God she was infact also disobeying God. God never spoke dirsctly to the wife of Lut and told her anything.

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

I see. Well, I suppose that just goes to show the added value of having a common language for a ‘holy book’!

I’ve had to compare the passage you quoted with the ones in my bibles and those online. The Septuagint, Syriac and Vulgate versions all say ‘they’, as in the angels who put them outside the city ordered her not to look back. But the Hebrew version does indeed say ‘he’.

[muhammad rasullah]

I see. Well, I suppose that just goes to show the added value of having a common language for a ‘holy book’!

I’ve had to compare the passage you quoted with the ones in my bibles and those online. The Septuagint, Syriac and Vulgate versions all say ‘they’, as in the angels who put them outside the city ordered her not to look back. But the Hebrew version does indeed say ‘he’.

The angels were sent by God to deliver the message. Angels can't do anything without the command of God. But even still the angels told Lut and not his wife. What do you mean the hebrew version does not say he? He referring to who Lut? What verse are you talking about and what does the hebrew say then?

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

What do you mean the hebrew version does not say he? … what does the hebrew say then?

No offence, like, but do you have problems understanding even simple English? Let me quote my words for you again, and I apologise in advance if this makes me sound condescending:

The Septuagint, Syriac and Vulgate versions all say ‘they’… But the Hebrew version does indeed say ‘he’.

Let me emphasise that again:

the Hebrew version does indeed say ‘he’.

The Hebrew version DOES say ‘he’. The others I mentioned say ‘they’. How, from that, did you suddenly think I had written:

the hebrew version does not say he

[muhammad rasullah]

What do you mean the hebrew version does not say he? … what does the hebrew say then?

No offence, like, but do you have problems understanding even simple English? Let me quote my words for you again, and I apologise in advance if this makes me sound condescending:

The Septuagint, Syriac and Vulgate versions all say ‘they’… But the Hebrew version does indeed say ‘he’.

Let me emphasise that again:

the Hebrew version does indeed say ‘he’.

The Hebrew version DOES say ‘he’. The others I mentioned say ‘they’. How, from that, did you suddenly think I had written:

the hebrew version does not say he

My apologies I read wrong. but you still didn't answer my question. what verse are you talking about when you say this?

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

One of the ones you quoted:

“17 And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee”.

I had the non–Hebrew versions in mind when I thought that someone else (god, or here god’s angels) had told Lot’s wife not to look behind her. The Hebrew version does indeed make it sound like Lot told her not to look back.

[muhammad rasullah]

One of the ones you quoted:

“17 And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee”.

I had the non–Hebrew versions in mind when I thought that someone else (god, or here god’s angels) had told Lot’s wife not to look behind her. The Hebrew version does indeed make it sound like Lot told her not to look back.

And so the quran says the same thing about this event. So we agree that the wife of Lut disobeyed the order that was given to Lut from God by the angels. Correct! So we agree that carolineislands is wrong when she says about this verse in the quran that the quran says that those who disobey there husbands will go to hell right? And that this verse is only pertaining to the wife of Lut and Noah 66:10 Allah sets forth, for an example to the Unbelievers, the wife of Noah and the wife of Lut: they were (respectively) under two of our righteous servants, but they were false to their (husbands), and they profited nothing before Allah on their account, but were told: "Enter ye the Fire along with (others) that enter!"

This is evidence of the rest of her statements being fale as well when you don't accept what you hear and read it for yourself it istrue that she is wrong!!!!