Do other religion have a Hell?
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Do other religion have a Hell?
Post #1The title says it all. What do other religions believe regarding hell and eternity?
It is a first class human tragedy that people of the earth who claim to believe in the message of Jesus, whom they describe as the Prince of Peace, show little of that belief in actual practice.
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Post #11You would be curious what I would come up with regarding Hell or Satan? If it regarding destruction in hell, then my posts must be very unclear because I have hounded this very line of thought for a long time. If it regarding Satan, the jury is still out, and may never come in because Satan's role and the entire book of Revelations are of little importance to me personally. Hence, I don't usually debate them.goat wrote:If you look in the threads about hell, there are those Christians that make a good case that the same attitude is in the New Testament, if you read the phrases in context. Some of the phrases say "perish in the eternal fires'. and 'the second death', where it is argued by some that the 'perish' and the 'second death' are the souls being extinction.achilles12604 wrote:goat wrote:achilles12604 wrote:The title says it all. What do other religions believe regarding hell and eternity?
It is generally accepted by mainstream judaism there is no 'eternal hell'. Some will think there is Gehenna, which is similar in nature to the Catholic 'limbo'
Souls which can't be purified go extinct. This view is put forth in the 12th century book of Jewish Mysticism called the 'Zohar'.
So those who are unable to be "corrected" are annihilated. Interesting . . .
I have heard it claimed that Revelation is actually talking about Nero, and the political situation in Rome. If that is the case, how about chucking all the information you think you know about 'satan' from revelation, and try to justify
your attitudes to Satan and Hell from the rest of the Bible (new and old testament).
I am curious on what you would come up with.
It is a first class human tragedy that people of the earth who claim to believe in the message of Jesus, whom they describe as the Prince of Peace, show little of that belief in actual practice.
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Re: Do other religion have a Hell?
Post #12If that is something you have been pondering, well you probably will struggle with it. The advantage of the Jewish faith is that it really doesn't concern itselfachilles12604 wrote:You would be curious what I would come up with regarding Hell or Satan? If it regarding destruction in hell, then my posts must be very unclear because I have hounded this very line of thought for a long time. If it regarding Satan, the jury is still out, and may never come in because Satan's role and the entire book of Revelations are of little importance to me personally. Hence, I don't usually debate them.goat wrote:If you look in the threads about hell, there are those Christians that make a good case that the same attitude is in the New Testament, if you read the phrases in context. Some of the phrases say "perish in the eternal fires'. and 'the second death', where it is argued by some that the 'perish' and the 'second death' are the souls being extinction.achilles12604 wrote:goat wrote:achilles12604 wrote:The title says it all. What do other religions believe regarding hell and eternity?
It is generally accepted by mainstream judaism there is no 'eternal hell'. Some will think there is Gehenna, which is similar in nature to the Catholic 'limbo'
Souls which can't be purified go extinct. This view is put forth in the 12th century book of Jewish Mysticism called the 'Zohar'.
So those who are unable to be "corrected" are annihilated. Interesting . . .
I have heard it claimed that Revelation is actually talking about Nero, and the political situation in Rome. If that is the case, how about chucking all the information you think you know about 'satan' from revelation, and try to justify
your attitudes to Satan and Hell from the rest of the Bible (new and old testament).
I am curious on what you would come up with.
with hell, but rather trusts in God.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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Re: Do other religion have a Hell?
Post #13As far as I can tell neither Hinduism nor Buddhism have a concept of 'hell' where 'unsaved' souls are sent. Until such time as karma is worked out all are returned to the cycle of life and death - samsara. How that 'returning' occurs varies from tradition to tradition and within traditions. Some hold that each individual soul reincarnates - others that there is a stream of consciousness which branches off into an individual manifestation in the worlds as we know it. Each manifestation contributes to the evolution of this stream of consciousness.achilles12604 wrote:All of the above please. I am learning here.bernee51 wrote:Do you want my view?achilles12604 wrote:So what does occur to someone who is evil? Are they reincarnated?bernee51 wrote:AFAIK neither Buddhism or Hinduism have a concept of hell as a final place of punishment.achilles12604 wrote:The title says it all. What do other religions believe regarding hell and eternity?
That said some styles of buddhism have very complex cosmologies which can include up to 136 different 'hells'.
It is not a pre-requisite, however, to 'believe' in these cosmologies
Or a view that is particular to a specific tradition within buddhism?
As I understand Hinduism we are reincarnated until karma is worked out.
Personally I do not hold any belief in 'hell' nor any survival after death. We are born and we die. That said, as I see existence as emergent, I do hold that we 'reincarnate' in every moment of our being. Each moment holds the potential for the next and it is within our power to effect outcomes in the next moment based on actions actions in the 'now'. More often than not, however, actions are conditioned - like buttons being pushed. True influence over our 'becoming' can only be achieved if life is lived in awareness, by living mindfully in the 'now'. This entails being able to recognize conditioned responses and anticipate their arising. Such a response to life and its challenges is possible.
"Whatever you are totally ignorant of, assert to be the explanation of everything else"
William James quoting Dr. Hodgson
"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."
Nisargadatta Maharaj
William James quoting Dr. Hodgson
"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."
Nisargadatta Maharaj
Re: Do other religion have a Hell?
Post #14bernee51 wrote:As far as I can tell neither Hinduism nor Buddhism have a concept of 'hell' where 'unsaved' souls are sent. Until such time as karma is worked out all are returned to the cycle of life and death - samsara. How that 'returning' occurs varies from tradition to tradition and within traditions. Some hold that each individual soul reincarnates - others that there is a stream of consciousness which branches off into an individual manifestation in the worlds as we know it. Each manifestation contributes to the evolution of this stream of consciousness.achilles12604 wrote:All of the above please. I am learning here.bernee51 wrote:Do you want my view?achilles12604 wrote:So what does occur to someone who is evil? Are they reincarnated?bernee51 wrote:AFAIK neither Buddhism or Hinduism have a concept of hell as a final place of punishment.achilles12604 wrote:The title says it all. What do other religions believe regarding hell and eternity?
That said some styles of buddhism have very complex cosmologies which can include up to 136 different 'hells'.
It is not a pre-requisite, however, to 'believe' in these cosmologies
Or a view that is particular to a specific tradition within buddhism?
As I understand Hinduism we are reincarnated until karma is worked out.
Personally I do not hold any belief in 'hell' nor any survival after death. We are born and we die. That said, as I see existence as emergent, I do hold that we 'reincarnate' in every moment of our being. Each moment holds the potential for the next and it is within our power to effect outcomes in the next moment based on actions actions in the 'now'. More often than not, however, actions are conditioned - like buttons being pushed. True influence over our 'becoming' can only be achieved if life is lived in awareness, by living mindfully in the 'now'. This entails being able to recognize conditioned responses and anticipate their arising. Such a response to life and its challenges is possible.
In hinduism there is a concept of an eternal cycle of birth and rebirth. karma, divine justice (kind of), is teh reciprocity of your actions in a new life. if one is bad in this life, their next life will be affected. ex: murderer may become a bug. This cycle is percieved, not as bad, merely undesireable. if one were to go through millions of lives on teh cycle of rebirth and birth they are still good people. however, the goal of a religious devotee is to remove themself from this cycle
basically, to understand this cycle is to achieve liberation. they must understand and know the transient aspect of the Self, the illusion of the fruit of action. they must undersatnd the force of acting, the fundamental being in existence and non-existence. in the upanishads ( a central scripture) they explain that heaven and hell are the products of early hindu worship. if one fulfills the requirements of the vedic sacrifices, they are good in teh eyes of the goods and will spend an amount of time in heaven. if they ignore various requirements, they may spend time in a hell. neither of these are eternal, but always end up with a new reincarnation in teh wheel of samsara
Now, i have no idea what it is, but to me, hindu verses fulfill christian, biological, and physical ideas.
note: if i was to ever recommend a book to read, it would be siddhartha, by herman hesse. he grew up a christian and started searching the east for new religious views. this beautiful NOVEL creates a symbiosis of christian, hindu and buddhist elements.
ekam sad viprah bahudha vadanti
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Post #15another thought:
many shamanic religions (indigenous, african, arctic) believe in seperate realms of the immanent concrete and a seperate transcendental. they may affect each other, through contact facilitated by tribal leaders. once a person dies, the body decomposes and teh soul enters the noumenal realm. im not to sure what happens then, but i think it has a limited lifespan cumlminating with total death.
many shamanic religions (indigenous, african, arctic) believe in seperate realms of the immanent concrete and a seperate transcendental. they may affect each other, through contact facilitated by tribal leaders. once a person dies, the body decomposes and teh soul enters the noumenal realm. im not to sure what happens then, but i think it has a limited lifespan cumlminating with total death.
Post #16
Hel is a place in Odinism/Asatru Norse mythology. It is stated in many places in the prose and poetic Edda's as home of Loki's daughter, and a place where a straw death or a man who died dishonourably goes.
It was in my opinion it was bastardised as a bad place into xtian mythology to accommodate more indigenous folk into the cult of xtianity as it grew traveling from Armenia in 301AD onwards.
It was in my opinion it was bastardised as a bad place into xtian mythology to accommodate more indigenous folk into the cult of xtianity as it grew traveling from Armenia in 301AD onwards.
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I personally believe that if hell exsists it is something you inflict on yourself.
I do believe in "demons", but they're more sort of powerful spirit beings with varying motivations, and intent. Also salt wards them, well salt and iron.
The best defense is will, mental strength, and endurance.
I do believe in "demons", but they're more sort of powerful spirit beings with varying motivations, and intent. Also salt wards them, well salt and iron.
The best defense is will, mental strength, and endurance.