Bring on World War 3. . .

[achilles12604]

I had an ephinany in church today. I believe I have decided for myself who's side God is on.

But I wanted to throw this out into the water and see where it goes for a bit first.


So the question for debate is this. . .


Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?

Considering the amount of suffering, poverty, crime, genocide, pestilence, disease, wars, starvation, subjugation, rapes, molestations, etc.... that currently exist globally, I really have to wonder which side He is on as well. If I had to judge it based on humanity, I would have to say that God is on the side of those who would cause harm because He sure isn't providing much protection to those who are trying to do good. But this is strictly MHO.

This made me think. Is the world REALLY this screwed up? Or is the world still decent enough to warrant living in?

If it is as described above, then would it not be better to simply start world war 3, have every launch Nukes, and if any one survives they can start over with a clean (albeit radioactive) slate?

Is this world worth keeping?

[achilles12604]

I did.

You are right, God Bless America (Meaning U.S.A). Europe and Asia are in Chaos, i hope i wont die when i go up to Malaysia in 2 months, the war up there is quite scary(.....)...

God Bless America is hardly an answer to the question

Is it accurate to say that Asia is uniting when many countries are in conflict with one another, and several wars have been fought in just the last few years?

If yes, explain how unity is being achieved through conflict and oppression?

[achilles12604]

Jamesearl -

I view the state of the world as the following. Regarding politics and nations, in general most of the world get's along very well. There are certainly some places where conflict seems to be a high priority. Africa especially. Asia would probably come second (as far as continents go). Europe is advancing at a rate which I truly envy. I wish the US would pull out its head regarding some issues which nations like Denmark and Germany have passed us by years ago. North America (specifically the US but Canada and Mexico too) generally try to do good. However, we are developing a tendency towards policing the world which I find extremely irritating. I understand why we step in when other countries like Bosnia, or Kosovo are experiencing genocide. But I disagree that we should be involved in every little squabble which happens around the globe (an exaggeration I know but it feels like this).

Regarding the OP which our little debate seems to have side tracked, I think this world has quite a bit of beauty and is worth preserving. I for one love the solitude and peace of the mountains in which I live. I certainly would hold off on destroying the world.

[jamesearl]

Is it accurate to say that Asia is uniting when many countries are in conflict with one another, and several wars have been fought in just the last few years?

Really, its accurate to say? Gosh, thanx.

Yes, wars have been fought, but why are you talking PAST instead of what is GOING to happen? ASEAN is a wonderful project, and Asia is the most advancing continent at the moment.

If yes, explain how unity is being achieved through conflict and oppression?

Nothing. Your country attacked Iraq because the need for Oil and control. USA as a nation is making the world unsafe.


The other ones are doing BETTER. That was my point. The advanced european nations are helping the world and make it better. Some poor nations close to the middle east and Turkey are trying their best, still we have problems like everywhere.


South America generally have problems, once again, BECAUSE of the U.S.A interest in exploiting and lack of care for other people. That was my point;

The world is doing its best, The United States, claiming to be a western nation, make it less good. And that was my point, this being an "american" forum. And you just seem to lack the knowledge of the destruction and gorror your country causes the world, as well as making it very unstable being a nation that could start a nuclear war any second, as its clear its people are to eay to manipulate (WMD in Iraq? World is Evil? Cuba is bad etcetera).


You get what im coming from?

[achilles12604]

Is it accurate to say that Asia is uniting when many countries are in conflict with one another, and several wars have been fought in just the last few years?

Really, its accurate to say? Gosh, thanx.

Yes, wars have been fought, but why are you talking PAST instead of what is GOING to happen? ASEAN is a wonderful project, and Asia is the most advancing continent at the moment.

If yes, explain how unity is being achieved through conflict and oppression?

Nothing. Your country attacked Iraq because the need for Oil and control. USA as a nation is making the world unsafe.


The other ones are doing BETTER. That was my point. The advanced european nations are helping the world and make it better. Some poor nations close to the middle east and Turkey are trying their best, still we have problems like everywhere.


South America generally have problems, once again, BECAUSE of the U.S.A interest in exploiting and lack of care for other people. That was my point;

The world is doing its best, The United States, claiming to be a western nation, make it less good. And that was my point, this being an "american" forum. And you just seem to lack the knowledge of the destruction and gorror your country causes the world, as well as making it very unstable being a nation that could start a nuclear war any second, as its clear its people are to eay to manipulate (WMD in Iraq? World is Evil? Cuba is bad etcetera).


You get what im coming from?

Oh I totally get where you are coming from.

Lol.

Hey, incidentally check out my math here. It goes back to a previous debate we were having which I still haven't received a reply for.

I guess we can let this rest since it has Nothing to do with the OP and we have established that rather than citing present facts, you were citing future events.

[Confused]

I would like to point out that most of the world is uniting.

Its generally the United States, as one nation, that is hostile and none-cooperative towards the world. Asia is uniting, Europe is united, etcetera. Everyone is Trying to work together, EXCEPT:

United States. Who seem to say that the world is evil and jealous of their "great power" (which is never defined)....

HONESTLY, in a OBJECTIVE VIEW, the United States is the problem. Have Nuclear Weapons, prepared to use it, starts war all he time and continue to show to have no respect for human life. The world is not a problem, One Specific country is at the moment, a rogue fanatic state calling themselves "the best"...

So no, me travelling and loving the world, i would not. No doubt americans would, as they think the "world" is thei small area they live in, and nothing outside is better or more interesting, only them them them.. Evil jealous world.. EVIL...



Cynical? Yes, But am i really wrong? I would not think so.

You have got to be joking. I am not sure which word I would ascribe the most here: ethnocentric, egocentric, egomanical, ostentatious, should I go on?

Sure the US is the evil country. We bombed our own twin towers. We destroyed Pearl Harbor. We decimated the Jewish population. Not only do we harbor terrorists, but we breed them and train them as well.

Is the US the best country, not by far. But are we the worst, not even close. Despite even the best intentions, you will always consider yourself superior to the US and hey, thats great patriotism. But don't go on your typical tantrum laying all the worlds problems at the feet of the US. Recall, we fought for our own independence. Who fought for your countries?


My apologies for getting off topic Achilles. To get back to the point, the world as a whole needs to work together. Quit laying the blame on everyone elses doorstep rather than stepping up to the plate and finding solutions rather than problems.

[jamesearl]

I would like to point out that most of the world is uniting.

Its generally the United States, as one nation, that is hostile and none-cooperative towards the world. Asia is uniting, Europe is united, etcetera. Everyone is Trying to work together, EXCEPT:

United States. Who seem to say that the world is evil and jealous of their "great power" (which is never defined)....

HONESTLY, in a OBJECTIVE VIEW, the United States is the problem. Have Nuclear Weapons, prepared to use it, starts war all he time and continue to show to have no respect for human life. The world is not a problem, One Specific country is at the moment, a rogue fanatic state calling themselves "the best"...

So no, me travelling and loving the world, i would not. No doubt americans would, as they think the "world" is thei small area they live in, and nothing outside is better or more interesting, only them them them.. Evil jealous world.. EVIL...



Cynical? Yes, But am i really wrong? I would not think so.

You have got to be joking. I am not sure which word I would ascribe the most here: ethnocentric, egocentric, egomanical, ostentatious, should I go on?

Sure the US is the evil country. We bombed our own twin towers. We destroyed Pearl Harbor. We decimated the Jewish population. Not only do we harbor terrorists, but we breed them and train them as well.

Is the US the best country, not by far. But are we the worst, not even close. Despite even the best intentions, you will always consider yourself superior to the US and hey, thats great patriotism. But don't go on your typical tantrum laying all the worlds problems at the feet of the US. Recall, we fought for our own independence. Who fought for your countries?


My apologies for getting off topic Achilles. To get back to the point, the world as a whole needs to work together. Quit laying the blame on everyone elses doorstep rather than stepping up to the plate and finding solutions rather than problems.

I dont have any patriotism, sorry to destroy your self-projection, and that makes your entire point moot.

I have no patriotism, i care about THE WORLD, not a nation. I only stated facts, The U.S as a country is horrible, dangerous and makes the world unstable, thats all i point out, this is a fact, but you dont accept it, because you, your parents, your media and familj has decided to "teach you" to believe whatever they wanted you to believe.

But dont worry, you have 300 million people thats the same. The last 80 years have been like that in the U.S, dont worry about, but Try to LEARN. Look at the facts, TRAVEL and EXPERICNCE the world. NO, the WORLD, not the U.S, the U.S is a country in the world, the rest of it is big and open (except Cuba for you). VISIT IT.

IT will do you good to open your eyes.

[achilles12604]

Ok. Well as I pointed out, this entire line of thought is off topic. Shall we return to the OP . . . again?

[Fallibleone]

I'm getting truly tired of people bragging about the 'good' their countries have done compared to others. America has done 'good' and 'bad' things, and continues to do so. The UK has done 'good' and 'bad' things, and I will never deny the 'bad' things that Blair is responsible for, even though I voted for him. I do not feel obliged to defend his every action in the face of criticism by people from other countries simply because I am British. I understand their anger. I understand the anger of people towards America. I understand the anger of people towards Saudia Arabia, Nigeria, Pakistan, China, Denmark and Zimbabwe. Even in countries which enjoy democracy, the normal ctizens are not responsible for the actions of their leaders. Most of them did not vote for them in the first place, and once they are in there, our opinion is rarely asked for again.

I'm tired of the 'yeah well we saved your ass in WWII, buddy' mentality. I'm tired of the 'the West is full of infidels, death to the infidels' mentality. I'm tired of people bragging about the outcome of some past war as though they were there and played some part in it. This is the reason why people actually find questions like the one in the OP valid. So many people thinking they are right if only everyone else would admit it, prepared to wage war on others in order to make a point. I personally did nothing to stop the genocide in Eastern Europe so I can claim no part in it. Yes, there were British troops there. Was I asked if they should be sent? Was I one of them? No.

No, Americans did not fly planes into their own Twin Towers. It was a deep tragedy that so many people lost their lives. Countries the world over have for years, and still do, suffer acts of terrorism and genocide which result in the death of thousands upon thousands. America is no longer un-attackable, and its leadership past and present must take some responsibility for how they came to be such a juicy target, and put their citizens in such danger, just as Blair and his predecessors must take responsibly for their actions in Northern Ireland and now Iraq and Afghanistan, which led to his fellow citizens facing bomb after bomb, and will probably lead to more. Saddam Hussein was at least held responsible for his actions, although not in a way I would recommend.

I do not think we should nuke the world and start again. I find plenty of things in my quite ordinary life which are worth saving, plenty of good people with much to offer. The world is often a screwed up place, but it is also a beautiful place and I count myself lucky to be here.

[achilles12604]

I do not think we should nuke the world and start again. I find plenty of things in my quite ordinary life which are worth saving, plenty of good people with much to offer. The world is often a screwed up place, but it is also a beautiful place and I count myself lucky to be here.

Well good. Feel free to click on the poll. I am glad to be here too.

[Fallibleone]

I already did.