Is Gandhi burning in Hell?

[Beto]

The name Gandhi is usually followed by a quick strategic retreat on the lines of "I don't presume to know God's will", when the Christian God's Law seems to be pretty clear as to where Gandhi's soul is right now.

I invite Christians to argue on whether or not Gandhi is in Hell, and on whether or not they personally feel he deserves to be in Hell.

Of course I welcome arguments that show the Law doesn't say Gandhi will not enter Heaven (it's not just about going to Hell).

[MagusYanam]

Leave it to good 'ole Easy to have the nards to actually say Gandhi is in Hell!

Sad part is, though, he doesn't. He hides behind those specific Scriptures which suit his particular worldview, but he doesn't come straight out and say that he believes Gandhi is in Hell. He uses language like 'deep sneakers', which says to me that he is being defensive about the entire idea and trying to keep his own worldview from falling down around his ears, even when it produces representations which are, by most objective standards of basic sanity, morality and traditional Christian theology, wrong.

He has to ignore some pretty large and substantial portions of Scripture, in which Jesus says, 'by their fruits you shall know them' (and Gandhi's fruit certainly was good), and 'anyone who is not against me is for me' (when referring to those who did not become Jesus' disciples, but nevertheless did good works in his name - sound familiar?). Judging from Gandhi's works, it seems fairly clear that he was being guided by the Holy Spirit, and judging from his personal philosophy, it seems fairly clear that he 'had the Son' and was following Christ's example the best he knew how, while remaining true to his traditions and his culture (or rather, his interpretations of their best aspects). Gandhi's faith led him to move a brutal, militaristic empire's conscience, as difficult as the moving of mountains Jesus described, and he did it not with violence, but with moral force - something which Jesus preached repeatedly and exhorted his followers to practise.

Way I see it, he could out-Christian many of the 'Christians' on these forums, Hindu or not.

[Beto]

These are quotes taken from wikipedia, the first from his autobiography:

"Thus if I could not accept Christianity either as a perfect, or the greatest religion, neither was I then convinced of Hinduism being such. Hindu defects were pressingly visible to me. If untouchability could be a part of Hinduism, it could but be a rotten part or an excrescence. I could not understand the raison d'etre of a multitude of sects and castes. What was the meaning of saying that the Vedas were the inspired Word of God? If they were inspired, why not also the Bible and the Koran? As Christian friends were endeavoring to convert me, so were Muslim friends. Abdullah Sheth had kept on inducing me to study Islam, and of course he had always something to say regarding its beauty."

"As soon as we lose the moral basis, we cease to be religious. There is no such thing as religion over-riding morality. Man, for instance, cannot be untruthful, cruel or incontinent and claim to have God on his side."

"The sayings of Muhammad are a treasure of wisdom, not only for Muslims but for all of mankind."

Later in his life when he was asked whether he was a Hindu, he replied:

"Yes I am. I am also a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist and a Jew."

[Chancellor]

The name Gandhi is usually followed by a quick strategic retreat on the lines of "I don't presume to know God's will", when the Christian God's Law seems to be pretty clear as to where Gandhi's soul is right now.

I invite Christians to argue on whether or not Gandhi is in Hell, and on whether or not they personally feel he deserves to be in Hell.

Of course I welcome arguments that show the Law doesn't say Gandhi will not enter Heaven (it's not just about going to Hell).

If he did not obey the gospel call then it is likely he will burn in the lake of fire for all of eternity.

[Zzyzx]

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The name Gandhi is usually followed by a quick strategic retreat on the lines of "I don't presume to know God's will", when the Christian God's Law seems to be pretty clear as to where Gandhi's soul is right now.

I invite Christians to argue on whether or not Gandhi is in Hell, and on whether or not they personally feel he deserves to be in Hell.

Of course I welcome arguments that show the Law doesn't say Gandhi will not enter Heaven (it's not just about going to Hell).

If he did not obey the gospel call then it is likely he will burn in the lake of fire for all of eternity.

I appreciate Christians using their scriptures to condemn all Non-Christians to hell.

Doing so demonstrates the silliness of a belief that is purely self-centered and self-serving – a condition that is NOT unnoticed by readers.

“No matter how worthy an individual or how exemplary their life, they will spend eternity in hell unless they worship as I do”.

[Beto]

If he did not obey the gospel call then it is likely he will burn in the lake of fire for all of eternity.

I just think you like being controversial for all the attention you get...

[Easyrider]

A while back I told Easyrider I would begin ignoring his posts. Despite that, and having started this thread myself, I feel obligated to comment.

"Obviously, Ghandi is in deep sneakers even as we debate."

I was beginning to wonder when someone would have the temerity of standing up to their convictions in what relates the fate of Gandhi's soul, and for what it's worth, thanks for rising up to the challenge, Easyrider.

Now, we all know what Gandhi stood for, and unless you question his motivation for being an advocate of non-violence and truth (doing the work of the devil, perhaps), you must concede that your god, in his obvious self-absorbance (notice the lower case in "his", for this sort of being is undeserving of capital letters), chose to disregard Gandhi's doings and sentenced him to an eternity parted from the Word (never mind the sulphur and brimstone).

If anyone disregarded anything it was Ghandi, denying he was a sinner who needed a Savior in Christ. You're making him out to be a perfect individual who never sinned. I've never met a perfect individual amongst mortals, so I'm not buying his being a saint according to his own perceived sense of righteousness. As for his works, God will certainly take those into account, but you cannot earn salvation in God's economy.

[Easyrider]

Leave it to good 'ole Easy to have the nards to actually say Gandhi is in Hell!

Sad part is, though, he doesn't. He hides behind those specific Scriptures which suit his particular worldview, but he doesn't come straight out and say that he believes Gandhi is in Hell. He uses language like 'deep sneakers', which says to me that he is being defensive about the entire idea and trying to keep his own worldview from falling down around his ears, even when it produces representations which are, by most objective standards of basic sanity, morality and traditional Christian theology, wrong.

Only God knows where he is - heaven or hell. But the scriptures I presented certainly indicate he would face some serious problems at the Judgment trying to get in via his own "righteousness." He needs the righteousness of Christ, not his own. Isn't that what you guys generally don't like - a perceived sense of self-righteousness? Now it's ok with Ghandi?

Recommend you read Romans chapters 1-4.

He has to ignore some pretty large and substantial portions of Scripture, in which Jesus says, 'by their fruits you shall know them' (and Gandhi's fruit certainly was good), and 'anyone who is not against me is for me' (when referring to those who did not become Jesus' disciples, but nevertheless did good works in his name - sound familiar?). Judging from Gandhi's works, it seems fairly clear that he was being guided by the Holy Spirit, and judging from his personal philosophy, it seems fairly clear that he 'had the Son' and was following Christ's example the best he knew how, while remaining true to his traditions and his culture (or rather, his interpretations of their best aspects). Gandhi's faith led him to move a brutal, militaristic empire's conscience, as difficult as the moving of mountains Jesus described, and he did it not with violence, but with moral force - something which Jesus preached repeatedly and exhorted his followers to practise.

Way I see it, he could out-Christian many of the 'Christians' on these forums, Hindu or not.

More "works-related-salvation"? It won't work. You might want to review the following:

http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/ga ... hrist.html

[Easyrider]

Easyrider wrote:

Obviously, Ghandi is in deep sneakers even as we debate.

Leave it to good 'ole Easy to have the nards to actually say Gandhi is in Hell! I honestly don't think I have ever heard that before, anywhere.
Good job Easy! At the very least, you are consistent.

BTW: Beto (and several others) may ignore your posts, but I don't! In fact, I seek them out to either: A) Have a good laugh or; B) Better understand the pathology of the fundamentalist mindset.
Thus far, "A" has far outweighed "B".

- Cmass

Enjoy your laughs while you can.

Gandhi says all paths lead to God. In doing so, he's created his own theology based on a feel-good (and inaccurate) proposition. The beliefs of the great religions of this world are in many ways in direct conflict with one another, yet God is supposedly the author of this madness? I guess Satanism and Baal worship are other paths to God, since all paths lead to God in Gandhi's mind? That's what you're trying to sell people. He's leading people astray and giving them false hope. This is the doctrine of demons, not God. Have you ever read the OT? Baal worship is ok with God? Get real. Jesus said he is the way and the truth and the life, and no man comes to the Father except through him. Gandhi teaches the opposite. He's a false teacher in spite of other good works.

[OnceConvinced]

Gandhi says all paths lead to God. In doing so, he's created his own theology based on a feel-good (and inaccurate) proposition. The beliefs of the great religions of this world are in many ways in direct conflict with one another, yet God is supposedly the author of this madness?

Well he's supposedly the author of much more remarkable madness:

[Easyrider]

Gandhi says all paths lead to God. In doing so, he's created his own theology based on a feel-good (and inaccurate) proposition. The beliefs of the great religions of this world are in many ways in direct conflict with one another, yet God is supposedly the author of this madness?

Well he's supposedly the author of much more remarkable madness: (Bible picture)

Your lack of comprehension concerning God's divine justice is duly noted.