I find that christianity has too many flaws too it to be true.
First they claim to follow the old testament, yet they do not obey any law which is stated in it. for example idolaterie: they have idols of jesus all over there churches and homes...
an other thing bothers me, in the whole new testament you can find 1 prophecy. Mathieu says that the jewish temple will be destroyed and they will wander the earth forever never to return to their homeland. something in the sort I forgot where it is exactly. Yet Jew's are in their homeland.
How true is christianity
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Post #11Which religion preaches tolerance?TGillings wrote:Almost every religion preaches tolerance, ...
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Post #12Thou shalt love thy neighbour...is that not preaching tolerance for noisy neighbours and those with dogs that bark all night long?McCulloch wrote:Which religion preaches tolerance?TGillings wrote:Almost every religion preaches tolerance, ...
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Post #13TGillings wrote:Almost every religion preaches tolerance, ...
McCulloch wrote:Which religion preaches tolerance?
Which religion teaches religious tolerance?TGillings wrote:Thou shalt love thy neighbour...is that not preaching tolerance for noisy neighbours and those with dogs that bark all night long?
Galatians 1:9 "As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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The truth will make you free.
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Post #14Accursed of and for what? Is that tolerance or what?McCulloch wrote:TGillings wrote:Almost every religion preaches tolerance, ...McCulloch wrote:Which religion preaches tolerance?Which religion teaches religious tolerance?TGillings wrote:Thou shalt love thy neighbour...is that not preaching tolerance for noisy neighbours and those with dogs that bark all night long?
Galatians 1:9 "As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."
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Post #16I think you are wrong here. We define many mental disorders on the basis of criteria that is subjective, but morally wrong. Antisocial personality disoders, serial murderers, cannibalists, etc.... We can't find anything genetically wrong with them, so we use a set moral standards by which to say a disorder exists. Here we use the same set of moral standards you can find in the bible. On the flip side, we have tests in science that can diagnose disorders that religions used to say was punishment from God such as leprosy.hindweb wrote:I dont think they compliment and they go in opposite directions. Remember Galileo vs. the Church?
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On the flip side, what do you think moderates science? During WWII Hitler did many medical experiments that were tortuous and insane. If science had no "ethical police" then these experiments could be seen as the ends justified the means since so much was learned about hypothermia etc..... Now who do you think leads the "ethical police"? The same religious dogma that can be found amongst almost any religion. Moral and ethical values.
So can they complement each other: yes, can they oppose each other, yes. Can they be independent of another, I don't think so. If we allow science to do what they want when they want how they want, who is to say you won't be there next subject. Rememeber, a lot of our laws are built upon the same ethical and moral values found in the Bible. Even the 7 year rule for debt (bankruptcy).
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Post #17I very rarely post here... maybe this will be my first post this year.McCulloch wrote:TGillings wrote:Almost every religion preaches tolerance, ...McCulloch wrote:Which religion preaches tolerance?Which religion teaches religious tolerance?TGillings wrote:Thou shalt love thy neighbour...is that not preaching tolerance for noisy neighbours and those with dogs that bark all night long?
Galatians 1:9 "As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."
But all religions have somethings they tolerate but tolerance is usually signified by tolerating someone if they stay in their corner or on their side of the tracks. People "tolerate" others but don't really accept them or even acknowledge others exist.
Baha'is generally accept the principle that mankind is one, that means regardless of religion, class, caste or race that mankind is one. Appplying that principle we believe that there should be equal opportunity for education, medical care and other opportunities... that the extremes of wealth and poverty should be eliminated so that you don't have 1% living so far above and beyond the rest of humanity. It also means that we need to reduce armaments and wars through international law and a representative world parliament. If I accept the oneness of humanity I also will oppose different payscales and treatment for different folks just because they are different.
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Post #18Well......Here's what I would say:McCulloch wrote:What do we attain by proving our own or each others ideas and assertions are false? By subjecting our ideas to the crucible of evidence and reason, we can reduce falsehood and thereby come closer to truth. That is the operational theory behind science and debate.hindweb wrote:what do we attain by proving each others religions are false! Just follow what is good for you.
Don't try and prove others wrong, just prove that you are right. Affirm and assert your own beliefs, but don't try and disprove or negate that of others.
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There is what is truth to you, but there is also what is truth to others. We should affirm our own truths (beliefs for me), but not try and knock down the truths of others -- ie. to not try and impose your "beliefs for others" on other people.
What are you implying? This statement isn't about other religions. It's actually about an internal issue within Christianity.McCulloch wrote:Which religion teaches religious tolerance?
Galatians 1:9 "As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."
The "gospel" is Christianity. It is a warning to not preach a concept that is not Christianity, when one is understood and perceived as preaching Christianity. In other words, don't distort the meaning of Christianity.
Christianity is about a relationship with God. God would like that relationship to be protected by Christian leaders. If Christian leaders, in a selfish pursuit of power and influence, preach concepts that lead lay-Christians astray from that relationship, they destroy and violate that relationship. Because they are in positions of power and influence, it's regarded as a capital offence.
It's not about lay-Christians being oppressed here by so-called heresy-hunters. The blame here is being laid on leaders -- pastors, priests and preachers. That's why the previous verse refers to an angel. Someone high and mighty. Some expert teacher. I actually think so-called heresy-hunting is wrong because it violates the intimate and personal relationship with God that every Christian is supposed to have, so therefore maybe it is the heresy-hunters who, may, in some instances be "accursed"!!!
With regards to possible "intolerance," the person is not "accursed" by humans but by God for having violated the sacred relationship that a Christian has with God. It is not enforced by human beings as humans can't enforce a curse on someone. Whether that person is indeed accursed by God we don't know. I won't speculate further on that matter.
If a person not Christian comes to me to preach to me about some other religion, no problem!!! That person won't be cursed. He hasn't tried to deceive me about Christianity. Only power-hungry Christian preachers claiming to preach Christianity but don't may be cursed.
I think we might as well do away with the present hierarchies of pastors and priests just all be lay-people. But for some reason we always want some hero to come out preaching like none of the rest of us can. Very impressive. We invite ourselves to get stoned by all these fantastic speeches. I dream of a day when all church buildings will be knocked down and we can all live as Christians in a more down-to-earth manner. Just be people. No preachers and no pulpits. No creeds. No manifestos and special claims of ...... authority. No more ideology. We just live and believe. Private and personal. It all just develops naturally. Like a plant, a flower opening up in spring-time.
Maybe Christianity should be more of a secret, so that when someone does discover Christianity, they will be able to see it as it was always meant to be, not the ugly image of it that we see today.