Do you really care that I am going to hell?

[Cmass]

I don't think you really believe I will fry in Hell for being an Atheist. I don't think you really truly believe any of your non-believing family will either. I think deep down, you know it just isn't true.

If you do believe they will all fry and are not doing absolutely everything in your power to stop it, I would suggest that you are a very cold, dispassionate person. If you really believed your dearly beloved mother was going to burn in hell right next to Cmass and Charles Manson then you would stop at nothing to convince her to accept Jesus. You would not just gently encourage, you would be emotionally and perhaps even physically engaged on a daily and hourly basis. You most certainly would not be reading this silly OP right now. Not if you REALLY cared.

Think about it. If you saw your mother being beaten by someone on the street, would you stop to help save her? Would you put your own life at risk to keep her from drowning? Is there anything you would not do to help her? OK, what about eternal torture in hell? Doesn't this concern you? What about all the other people in your life who are going to hell? Doesn't this leave you feeling devastated? If I believed there was a hell and that so many people would be going - especially any of my friends or family - I would be in constant agony myself and would devote my life to stopping it. Or, I would be numb.

Does your knowledge that so many people will be in eternal torture bother you very much on a daily basis?

This OP came about after reading commentary by some of our more conservative Christian friends in here. Some seem to have no real problem with all us atheists burning in hell forever. Granted, there are probably some personal anger issues involved but still, I have always been uneasy with how casual many Christians are when it comes to discussing eternal damnation. Some get more upset over running over a kitty than the eternal torture of their best friend.

Nonetheless, I give most the benefit of the doubt: I don't think they are really that cold. I just don't think they really believe as much in the hell concept as they report.

[Confused]

I don't think you really believe I will fry in Hell for being an Atheist.

I DO should you really cleave and cling on to your faith of being an atheist unto your death, and that is no joke on my part.

So you interpret hell as something akin to Dantes inferno? Where in scripture would you say this description of hell is explicitly defined?

[Easyrider]

I don't think you really believe I will fry in Hell for being an Atheist.

I DO should you really cleave and cling on to your faith of being an atheist unto your death, and that is no joke on my part.

So you interpret hell as something akin to Dantes inferno? Where in scripture would you say this description of hell is explicitly defined?

In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,. . ."

Jesus Christ says in Mark 9:43-47,

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

WHAT JESUS CHRIST SAYS ABOUT HELL! "fire" Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41 "everlasting fire" Matt 18:8, 25:41 "eternal damnation" Mark 3:29 "hell fire" Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47 "damnation" Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47 "damnation of hell" Matt 23:33 "resurrection of damnation" John 5:29 "furnace of fire" Matt 13:42, 50 "the fire that never shall be quenched" Mark 9:43, 45 "the fire is not quenched" Mark 9:44, 46, 48 "Where their worm dieth not" Mark 9:44, 46, 48 "wailing and gnashing of teeth" Matt 13:42, 50 "weeping and gnashing of teeth" Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30 "torments" Luke 16:23 "tormented in this flame" Luke 16:24 "place of torment" Luke 16:28 "outer darkness" Matt 8:12, 22:13 "everlasting punishment" Matt 25:46

http://www.hopeafterdeath.net/hell.htm

[Metatron]

I don't think you really believe I will fry in Hell for being an Atheist.

I DO should you really cleave and cling on to your faith of being an atheist unto your death, and that is no joke on my part.

So you interpret hell as something akin to Dantes inferno? Where in scripture would you say this description of hell is explicitly defined?

In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,. . ."

Jesus Christ says in Mark 9:43-47,

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

WHAT JESUS CHRIST SAYS ABOUT HELL! "fire" Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41 "everlasting fire" Matt 18:8, 25:41 "eternal damnation" Mark 3:29 "hell fire" Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47 "damnation" Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47 "damnation of hell" Matt 23:33 "resurrection of damnation" John 5:29 "furnace of fire" Matt 13:42, 50 "the fire that never shall be quenched" Mark 9:43, 45 "the fire is not quenched" Mark 9:44, 46, 48 "Where their worm dieth not" Mark 9:44, 46, 48 "wailing and gnashing of teeth" Matt 13:42, 50 "weeping and gnashing of teeth" Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30 "torments" Luke 16:23 "tormented in this flame" Luke 16:24 "place of torment" Luke 16:28 "outer darkness" Matt 8:12, 22:13 "everlasting punishment" Matt 25:46

http://www.hopeafterdeath.net/hell.htm

So tell me Easyrider, how do you reconcile the idea that God will subject most of mankind to eternal torment with the notion that God is a deity of love and compassion? What is God's purpose in torturing people? There is obviously no remedial purpose behind it because the non-believer subjected to torture is not allowed the opportunity to repent. Therefore, the only reason that I can come up with for God eternally torturing people is sadism. Why does this not make God evil?

[adlemi]

I don't think you really believe I will fry in Hell for being an Atheist.

I DO should you really cleave and cling on to your faith of being an atheist unto your death, and that is no joke on my part.

So you interpret hell as something akin to Dantes inferno? Where in scripture would you say this description of hell is explicitly defined?

I am certain with my statement and I am not interpreting anything in the scripture because I learned what I said directly from the Lord Jesus Christ, not from the scripture for the scripture or the bible is not God. For the information of all, hell, as the Lord teaches, is the big planet of fire and boiling water which will be formed by the merger of all exploded heavenly bodies in the whole universe, both seen and unseen, and of our very dear earth (which will be the last to explode) come judgment day or the second coming of the Lord. Should anyone wants the truth about all things, come direct to Jesus, ask and learn directly from the Lord Jesus Christ, the bible cannot teach to us these very delicate things because it is only a book.

Now, do you still see that hell is akin do Dantes inferno?

[twobitsmedia]

I don't think you really believe I will fry in Hell for being an Atheist.

I DO should you really cleave and cling on to your faith of being an atheist unto your death, and that is no joke on my part.

So you interpret hell as something akin to Dantes inferno? Where in scripture would you say this description of hell is explicitly defined?

I am certain with my statement and I am not interpreting anything in the scripture because I learned what I said directly from the Lord Jesus Christ, not from the scripture for the scripture or the bible is not God. For the information of all, hell, as the Lord teaches, is the big planet of fire and boiling water which will be formed by the merger of all exploded heavenly bodies in the whole universe, both seen and unseen, and of our very dear earth (which will be the last to explode) come judgment day or the second coming of the Lord. Should anyone wants the truth about all things, come direct to Jesus, ask and learn directly from the Lord Jesus Christ, the bible cannot teach to us these very delicate things because it is only a book.

You are getting ALL your information direct from Jesus? No Bible, no book, no teachings, just Jesus telling you stuff? Have you ever read the Bible? And, if no, how do you know some of your info is not from it if you do not know what it is in it? And how does he do this....just hang out and teach you stuff? Send you telepathic messages? Emails? How?

[Openmind]

And how does he do this....just hang out and teach you stuff? Send you telepathic messages? Emails? How?

How does any christian talk to God or Jesus?

Do you hear voices, Adlemi? If so, let me remind you that some schizophrenics hear voices.

There is obviously no remedial purpose behind it because the non-believer subjected to torture is not allowed the opportunity to repent. Therefore, the only reason that I can come up with for God eternally torturing people is sadism. Why does this not make God evil?

Metatron raises a very good point that needs to be addressed. God would apparently torture people for no good reason except their own folly. There is no purpose here but to punish. How does that not make him sadistic? Do you think God derives pleasure from watching us suffer?

I can only conclude God feels nothing for those in Hell. If he felt sorry for us, it would be within his power to save us. He is a weak and useless individual indeed if he cannot. I can see absolutely no reason why God would feel sorry us, yet allow us to suffer eternal torment.

. For the information of all, hell, as the Lord teaches, is the big planet of fire and boiling water which will be formed by the merger of all exploded heavenly bodies in the whole universe, both seen and unseen, and of our very dear earth

Thankfully the universe is expanding at an increasing rate, adlemi, so no such amalgamation of matter will occur. Science beats God in that argument.

[Jester]

You may have a long wait. I've noticed over at the Eternal Damnation thread that the vast majority of Christians who have responded are ones who don't believe in the classic "fire and brimstone" version of eternal damnation.

I am beginning to think you are probably right. Over the past 6 months I have posted several OPs with similar questions trying to get people to really make a personal, emotional connection with events in hell and have never gotten very satisfactory answers. Some of the longest threads in here are related to who said what in scripture and what they meant by it. The more difficult ones are related to personal feelings about events and behavior......

While I can empathize with your frustration, I don’t personally see the need to tow the Christian “party line” simply because I practice the religion. Christ himself devoted a great many speeches to the problems with the first century equivalent of “church people” and our stupid ideas. Given that, it’s only Christian to question traditional ideas.
To the end that I am a decent and compassionate person, I hurt for those who do go to hell (though I do not claim to know specifically who those people are). If you find me being cold to the issue, it is because I am not as good a person as I should be (feel free to call me on that if you see it – I’d certainly deserve it). I don’t believe that there should be anything but sadness over such a tragic thing as Hell, and am disturbed to think that some people actually look forward to watching others judged.
Though I couldn’t possibly say for sure, that last group is the one I fear is the most likely to end up in Hell.

[Openmind]

To the end that I am a decent and compassionate person, I hurt for those who do go to hell

Not nearly enough, by the sounds of it Jester. Do you have any friends or family who are going to hell? If not, you probably haven't yet realised the full implications of eternal torment with regards to loved ones. Perhaps your degree of pain is understandable in this case.

[adlemi]

You are getting ALL your information direct from Jesus? No Bible, no book, no teachings, just Jesus telling you stuff? Have you ever read the Bible?

Long time ago and had been in the born again movement for 16 years before the Lord came in to our life.

And, if no, how do you know some of your info is not from it if you do not know what it is in it?

Null and void, I know the bible but not all in it.

And how does he do this....just hang out and teach you stuff? Send you telepathic messages? Emails? How?

It will be redundant if I will post it everytime a question like this crop up hence follow it up in your private message, I'll send it to you bro.

[adlemi]

Do you hear voices, Adlemi? If so, let me remind you that some schizophrenics hear voices. .

No voices.

Thankfully the universe is expanding at an increasing rate, adlemi, so no such amalgamation of matter will occur. Science beats God in that argument.

Postulation, is that postulation? Is science over and above God?