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Christianity As A Religious Group (Sect)

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1. Did the Lord Jesus Christ, during His incarnation among the apostles and disciples, establish a religious sect that many call Christianity today?

2. Do we need to be affiliated with or members of this group to become Christians?

3. How could we become true followers of the Lord Jesus Christ?

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OneJack wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2026 6:34 am
1213 wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2026 12:48 am
OneJack wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2026 4:42 am ...
The Lord Jesus came into our lives in 2001, and He randomly shepherded us until 2014. The Lord said the following:
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Why do you believe he was Jesus?
He revealed Himself [to us] as the Almighty God.
To me that would tell he is not the Bible Jesus.
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1213 wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2026 1:08 am
OneJack wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2026 6:34 am
1213 wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2026 12:48 am
OneJack wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2026 4:42 am ...
The Lord Jesus came into our lives in 2001, and He randomly shepherded us until 2014. The Lord said the following:
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Why do you believe he was Jesus?
He revealed Himself [to us] as the Almighty God.
To me that would tell he is not the Bible Jesus.
You don’t know Jesus; what you have is an illusion of Jesus based on what you have studied in the bible about Him [Jesus], who is the real and forever-living God from eternity to eternity. Don’t confine the Lord Jesus to the four corners of the Bible. Face Him in the way He exists and lives in His own realm.

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OneJack wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2026 1:28 am You don’t know Jesus; what you have is an illusion of Jesus based on what you have studied in the bible about Him [Jesus], who is the real and forever-living God from eternity to eternity. Don’t confine the Lord Jesus to the four corners of the Bible. Face Him in the way He exists and lives in His own realm.
Sorry, I want to be loyal to the Bible Jesus and don't replace him with something else.
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1213 wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 2:01 am
OneJack wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2026 1:28 am You don’t know Jesus; what you have is an illusion of Jesus based on what you have studied in the bible about Him [Jesus], who is the real and forever-living God from eternity to eternity. Don’t confine the Lord Jesus to the four corners of the Bible. Face Him in the way He exists and lives in His own realm.
Sorry, I want to be loyal to the Bible Jesus and don't replace him with something else.
It's up to you; all of us have free will to make our choice.

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OneJack wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 9:37 pm
bjs1 wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 10:51 am
OneJack wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2026 9:05 pm
You have nothing to accept from the bible and even these things I'm testifying about the Lord, except the information/knowledge that God truly exists, so that we may come to Him for our salvation and eternal life. It takes the real and forever living Christ Jesus for all of us to be saved, and to know God through Himself.
It's kind of weird that you tell us to accept nothing from the Bible, but then tell us to accept things that you have gotten from the Bible.
Accept nothing, except the testimonies [of the bible] that God truly exists, in whom we can come to for us to have life. What is weird about that? We will only be saved if we come to God, not to the bible.
Well, what is weird to me is that in this post you tell us to accept the testimonies of the Bible, but in post #9 you wrote:

“If we follow the teachings of the apostles in the bible, don't you think we'll become followers of the bible and the apostles, who are all long gone?”
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.
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bjs1 wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 8:49 am
OneJack wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 9:37 pm
bjs1 wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 10:51 am
OneJack wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2026 9:05 pm
You have nothing to accept from the bible and even these things I'm testifying about the Lord, except the information/knowledge that God truly exists, so that we may come to Him for our salvation and eternal life. It takes the real and forever living Christ Jesus for all of us to be saved, and to know God through Himself.
It's kind of weird that you tell us to accept nothing from the Bible, but then tell us to accept things that you have gotten from the Bible.
Accept nothing, except the testimonies [of the bible] that God truly exists, in whom we can come to for us to have life. What is weird about that? We will only be saved if we come to God, not to the bible.
Well, what is weird to me is that in this post you tell us to accept the testimonies of the Bible, but in post #9 you wrote:

“If we follow the teachings of the apostles in the bible, don't you think we'll become followers of the bible and the apostles, who are all long gone?”
What you will accept is the testimony that God truly exists so that you may come to God for your salvation and eternal life.

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OneJack wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 9:05 am What you will accept is the testimony that God truly exists so that you may come to God for your salvation and eternal life.
Sure. The part I am confused about is why you claimed to reject the teachings of the Apostles while still using the name Jesus, which you only know through the teachings of the Apostles.
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bjs1 wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 11:51 am
OneJack wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 9:05 am What you will accept is the testimony that God truly exists so that you may come to God for your salvation and eternal life.
Sure. The part I am confused about is why you claimed to reject the teachings of the Apostles while still using the name Jesus, which you only know through the teachings of the Apostles.
First of all, we have nothing to take from the teachings of the apostles [who are all long gone] except the information that God, whose name is Jesus, truly exists. Knowing Jesus exists, we can then come to Him for our salvation and eternal life. The same is true with the revelations that the Lord Jesus gave to us; nothing is to be taken from said revelations, too, except what I have mentioned above. You err grossly in saying 'while still using the name Jesus, which you only know through the teachings of the Apostles' because we can know Jesus through Himself, who is alive and real, even without the bible. And we are living witnesses today for the Lord in this regard; He revealed Himself to us and proved He is the Almighty God beyond a reasonable doubt.

Thus saith the Lord Jesus Christ:

"All of you who are listening, listen carefully! I am your Lord God. Who are you afraid of? I am the Almighty. Who are you intimidated by? Remember, when I am by your side, you have nothing to fear, nothing to worry about, because I will save you from any calamity if you trust in Me and regard Me as your salvation and eternal life. As your Lord, whom you alone will worship and none other, I am the one true God existing in heaven, earth, or universe. I created all things, I gave you life. Where will you go? If not to Me, you have nowhere else to go."

"Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life. You will have nowhere to go but to calamity and suffering. But if you draw near to Me, you will attain nothing but peace – peace if you accept it, if you trust in Me, if you believe in Me with all your heart and all your love. Love Me with all your heart, and worship none other but Me, the one and only Lord."


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