Christians don't really believe God is a trinity

[Avoice]

Most Christians believe in the trinity.
From their mouth out they believe it. But deep down they don't believe it at all. BECAUSE THEY DON'T ACT LIKE IT.
Do all three heads receive the same attention?

FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. THAT'S THEIR THREE HEADS THEY PUT ON GOD. BUT THE FACT IS THEY ONLY WORSHIP JESUS. EVERYTHING IS ABOUT JESUS. JESUS, JESUS, JESUS. THEIR HOLIDAYS? ABOUT JESUS. THEIR PRAYERS? THEY GO TO JESUS. WHO DO THEY CALL THEIR LORD? JESUS.

The Trinity serves one purpose. It allows Christians to worship a man and not see it as paganism. As long as they think and believe that the god of Israel is somehow a part of it it prevents them from seeing what it really is.

Christianity could not survive if it's followers didn't believe the god of the Hebrew scriptures wasn't a part of it. They could never worship Jesus just by himself because then it would be paganism.

The god of Israel is in bright lights on the Marquee of the theater. But when you get inside there's no sign of him. That's the way it is with Christianity. The god of Israel is nowhere to be seen once you get inside the church. But his name on the Marquee is what brings people in and makes them believe. In truth, they want nothing to do with the god of Israel. The only commandments Christians keep are the ones they understand or agree with.
Do not lie? That makes sense to them
Do not steal? That makes sense to them too

The laws they keep are the ones they would keep even if they didn't know God existed. They know these things innately. No one needs to tell them that stealing is wrong.
What laws of God did they keep that they don't understand or don't agree with? None
Because you see, God has to agree with them.
Jesus is their attempt to make God in their image

If God is really three heads then where are the holidays for the other two heads? Jesus is all they care about

[lastdaysbeliever]

Most Christians believe in the trinity.
From their mouth out they believe it. But deep down they don't believe it at all. BECAUSE THEY DON'T ACT LIKE IT.
Do all three heads receive the same attention?

FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. THAT'S THEIR THREE HEADS THEY PUT ON GOD. BUT THE FACT IS THEY ONLY WORSHIP JESUS. EVERYTHING IS ABOUT JESUS. JESUS, JESUS, JESUS. THEIR HOLIDAYS? ABOUT JESUS. THEIR PRAYERS? THEY GO TO JESUS. WHO DO THEY CALL THEIR LORD? JESUS.

The Trinity serves one purpose. It allows Christians to worship a man and not see it as paganism. As long as they think and believe that the god of Israel is somehow a part of it it prevents them from seeing what it really is.

Christianity could not survive if it's followers didn't believe the god of the Hebrew scriptures wasn't a part of it. They could never worship Jesus just by himself because then it would be paganism.

The god of Israel is in bright lights on the Marquee of the theater. But when you get inside there's no sign of him. That's the way it is with Christianity. The god of Israel is nowhere to be seen once you get inside the church. But his name on the Marquee is what brings people in and makes them believe. In truth, they want nothing to do with the god of Israel. The only commandments Christians keep are the ones they understand or agree with.
Do not lie? That makes sense to them
Do not steal? That makes sense to them too

The laws they keep are the ones they would keep even if they didn't know God existed. They know these things innately. No one needs to tell them that stealing is wrong.
What laws of God did they keep that they don't understand or don't agree with? None
Because you see, God has to agree with them.
Jesus is their attempt to make God in their image

If God is really three heads then where are the holidays for the other two heads? Jesus is all they care about

How do you know?

[Ray the atheist]

[Replying to Avoice in post #1]

" The Trinity serves one purpose. It allows Christians to worship a man and not see it as paganism. As long as they think and believe that the god of Israel is somehow a part of it it prevents them from seeing what it really is. "
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I think you are saying that you can't imagine any other purpose.

There might be.

Here is my argument:

P1: All theological concepts such as the Trinity possess many historical, liturgical, and philosophical purposes way more than just one.

P2: The Trinity is a complex theological concept that facilitates the synthesis of monotheism with the narrative of Jesus' divinity and provides a framework for understanding divine love as relational and offers a structure for interpreting diverse biblical texts.

C:Therefore, the claim that the Trinity serves only one purpose is logically incomplete.

[Avoice]

[Replying to Ray the atheist in post #3]

My statement was incorrect. It does not just serve one purpose. Thank you for your input.

[Avoice]

[Replying to lastdaysbeliever in post #2]

By their actions.

[Mr E]

Most Christians believe in the trinity.
From their mouth out they believe it. But deep down they don't believe it at all. BECAUSE THEY DON'T ACT LIKE IT.
Do all three heads receive the same attention?

FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. THAT'S THEIR THREE HEADS THEY PUT ON GOD. BUT THE FACT IS THEY ONLY WORSHIP JESUS. EVERYTHING IS ABOUT JESUS. JESUS, JESUS, JESUS. THEIR HOLIDAYS? ABOUT JESUS. THEIR PRAYERS? THEY GO TO JESUS. WHO DO THEY CALL THEIR LORD? JESUS.

I would disagree with your premise. You are correct in saying that "most Christians believe in the trinity" or a triune God in some manner. -But not ALL Christians do. Secondly, you have no way of knowing what anyone believes "deep down" so you shouldn't state as fact something completely unknowable. And this is where your premise goes off track.

You say, again as fact-- that "they only worship JESUS" and that "EVERYTHING IS ABOUT JESUS. JESUS, JESUS, JESUS."

That just isn't true. Christians worship and pray to 'the Father' as we have been taught to do, by the son. Christians believe that they are indwelled by the Holy Spirit, and through Christ we commune with God directly, not in a theater where His name is on a marquee, but intimately, within the temple of our body, wherein His spirit dwells.

I really do think that you are right to point out that most, or at least many Christians don't have a very good understanding of what it is they actually believe with respect to the concept of the trinity, and certainly very few Christians can articulate their belief in a way a teenager could accept as logical. I don't that there are very many that understand the true nature of God in this respect at all, but it's wrong of you to state things as fact that you yourself cannot attest either. Perhaps you have a bias against Jesus-- you are Jewish, I surmise? Your post comes across as anti-Christ, but strangely enough Christians love the Jews, for from Abraham's seed, came Jesus.

[lastdaysbeliever]

[Replying to lastdaysbeliever in post #2]

By their actions.

That's it? That's all you got? "By their actions"? Sad.

You've made alot of fallacious, condemnational and subjective allegations in your OP, about we Christians and our embracing God's Triune nature, but beyond "...their actions." you have no real, consequential and empirical answer for why you level such claims and how you know.

So, my next question is what skin do you have in this? What does our understanding of God's triune nature have to do with you and how does our belief personally affect you?

lbd

*edited for clarity and further thoughts.

[Consocius]

If God is really three heads then where are the holidays for the other two heads? Jesus is all they care about

To think of God in that manner would make a God a three-head deity, like some deity of the gentiles. So, in order to truly believe in trinity, one has also believe in unity, for apart from that there is no true trinity, but only the worship of the invisible God, how it was before God came into the world and glorified His Human, and thus made Himself visible, as He teaches:

You have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. borne. [/quote] John 6:27

So, the Lord showed in Himself the Father Himself. And this is what He refers to when He answers to the question of Philip to show them the Father.

So, what is the challenge?

The challenge is that when a man thinks of the Lord Jesus Christ from his person only, and not of His Person from His Divine Essence, he thinks only materially, and then ends up with the Lord being believed as another natural man. And then instead he comes to worship the invisible God, with whom, outside of the Lord, there cannot be any conjunction.

For it is in the Lord that all the Fullness of the God-head dwells bodily. And considering that the Lord's Human, including His Body, was made Divine (out of the Father, having put away everything from the limited human of Mary), so the Fullness of the DIvine is in the Lord's Glorified Human.

Apart from that christians indeed worship the Lord, but not as God and Complete/Perfect/Divine Man, and thus there is a lack of enlightenment in the Word, and in the tradition, and lack of conjunction with God.

But if there is a true worship of the Lord, then it also involves the Father who is in the Lord, and also the Holy Spirit, which the Lord is sending.

So, it is like coming to a man, who has a body, soul, operation, and so we then approach him in fullness.

Similarly, with regard to the God, when come to Him in His Divine Human, thus when appoarch the Lord Jesus Christ directly, who is our Jehovah the Saviour.

"The Divine Trinity in one Person is to be understood as soul, body, and proceeding operation, which together constitute one essence, for the one is from the other, and therefore the one belongs to the other. In the same way there is a trinity in each man, which taken together constitutes one person, to wit, the soul, the body, and the operation that goes forth. But in man this trinity is finite, because man is only an organ of life; whereas in the Lord the Trinity is infinite and thus Divine, because the Lord is life itself even in respect to the Human, as He Himself teaches in John 5:26; 14:6; and also elsewhere."

"The Most Holy Trinity in one Person is to be apprehended as the Divine Esse, the Divine Human, and the Divine proceeding; thus as soul, body, and derivative power [virtus] and operation, precisely as given in the Memorable Relation inserted in the work entitled The True Christian Religion, n. 188. As productions from these there follow in order creation, redemption, and regeneration; for creation is an attribute of the Divine Esse, redemption of the Divine Human from the Divine Esse, and regeneration of the Holy Spirit, which is the primary power [virtus], or operation, by the Divine Human from the Divine Esse, according to what has been advanced in the True Christian Religion, n. 153-155."

[Mr E]

[Replying to Consocius in post #8]

I appreciate the use of italics to indicate that you are quoting some other source. It would be greatly appreciated if you would actually cite what that source might be.

Swedenborg?

[BruceLeiter]

[Replying to Avoice in post #1]

Some churches EMPHASIZE Jesus, @Avoice, while others emphasize the Holy Spirit. All Christians refer to the Father. Why are you generalizing about all churches? That's unfair.

I suggest that you go to the denominational and church websites and seek their beliefs. You'll find that most of them, at least in the evangelical wing of the Christian faith, believe in the 3-in-1 God.

However, I prefer discussing the Bible instead of the ways the professing Christians have used it for worship.