What happens to us when we die?

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The Bible teaches that we mortals consist of a body, a soul, and a spirit.
1 Thessalonians 5:23, “Your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless.”
Hebrews 4:12, For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow,” = man’s flesh.

What happens to the physical body at death?
Ecclesiastes 12:7, “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was…”
Genesis 3:19, “For dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”

What Happens to the Spirit at Death?
Ecclesiastes 12:7, “The spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
Luke 23:46, Jesus said, “Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.”
James 2:26, “For as the body without the spirit is dead.”

What happens to the soul at death?
Revelation 6:9, “I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain.”
Genesis 35:18, “And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing (for she died).”
Matthew 10:28, “Fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

And what distinguishes the soul from the spirit?
The soul and the spirit are distinguished in Scripture as two different aspects of our immaterial nature, closely connected yet serving different functions. The distinction is subtle, but the Bible gives enough clarity to outline their roles. It is our self, our mind, emotions, and will, while the spirit is the part of us that is God-aware and capable of communion with Him. This distinction appears repeatedly.

The soul refers to your individual life and identity. It expresses emotion, desire, personality, and decision-making. It’s the seat of your mind, will, and emotions. It experiences sorrow, joy, despair, longing, and hope. Yet at times, in certain contexts, it will refer to the whole person.

What is the Spirit? It’s the God-conscious part of a person. It’s the faculty that enables worship, intuition, and spiritual understanding. It is the part of us that can be born again and made alive by the Holy Spirit, and it’s where God’s Holy Spirit bears witness with your spirit, Romans 8:16.

Some teach that death is a state of nonexistence, a state of complete unconsciousness, and that the dead cannot do anything, cannot feel anything, and no longer have any thoughts.

Your thoughts.

[William]

I think that if ONLY one report (revelations) is considered as the ONLY legitimate report of "what happens when we die" then what we are left with is less than what is available for us to study and take into account.

Information such as reports on near death experiences, astral projection, and other forms of vision had by those who experience and then report is best considered alongside what the writer of revelations reports.

[OneJack]

[Replying to tam in post #19]

Maybe (for some.)

But certainly not for anyone in Christ. Christ tells us not to be afraid, does He not?

Did Christ tell you not to be afraid of what you will see come Judgment Day? Could you please share with us the exact utterance/teaching of the 'small still voice' spirit being that he taught you about the Judgment Day? I hope you will not be quoting biblical passages in this issue, since what you have responded to is one of the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ that He taught us during His shepherding job [with us] from 2001 to 2014.

What would be the point of this?

(Also, melting like ice doesn't sound the same as exploding and collapsing.)

The point here is that everything will come to an end. Everything will explode and melt due to fire. The Lord taught us that this earth will become the planet of Hell [the formation of all exploded heavenly bodies into one planet], afterward these horrific and terrifying events; He said [to us]:

What will become hell will be the earth, because the earth will quake and crack open, the stars will fall to the earth, and that will become the fire that will boil the water in the sea. This is why there will not be one stone left upon another, because the buildings will fall into the opening earth."

This, however, is untrue.

Consider a couple things:

1 - what is the point of being resurrected for a few seconds and then dying again?

The reason is plain and simple, for all of mankind [starting from Adam up to the last men standing when the Lord returns] to see and hear the real image and voice of the Almighty God in His day, which will be the cause of the sudden death of all of mankind, and His creations.

And where is love in this?

Mankind will be resurrected in flesh and blood, which is not fitted in Paradise, nor in Hell; hence, the need for immortal bodies to be with the Lord in Paradise, for those who are saved, forever and unto eternity, and for those who are not saved, to be in Hell forever and unto eternity in their agonizing situation. This is the LOVE via the Lord's way.

2 - this is not what John saw in the revelation that Christ gave him.

You have not witnessed John in this regard, have you? Don't you know that all of God's declarations, revelations, messages, good news, etc., are always 'dependent on a caveat'?

3 - Christ does not teach this.

Why, what have you heard and learned from the 'small still voice' spirit being regarding this matter?

In fact, He teaches that some will never die. John 11:26 I think most (myself included at one point) mistake John 11:26 to be 'metaphorical', but as a dear sister of mine once shared, if we are in Christ and we die, we will yet live (because of the resurrection). And if we are in Christ, and are alive (at His return), we will never die.

“I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies. 26And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?

Since you're coming from the bible, what you're saying is, obviously, your opinion, not a fact that you've heard and learned from God.

Paul also understood this:

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
Then, all will be judged.
This is also incorrect. Not all will be judged.

All you're doing is interpreting their words with your opinion. Worse, you can't post until now personal and direct utterances or teachings from the 'small still voice' spirit being to prove your point and to refute what I'm sharing with you about the teachings/utterances of the Lord Jesus in 2001 and onwards.
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Christians were already resurrected to Life.

You don't even know, by your narrative, the meaning of resurrection in this context. Christians still live, some have departed this world and are not coming back to life in flesh and blood again. Where is the resurrection of Christians?

There is no judgment for any in Christ because His blood covers us and we are forgiven in Him. There is no judgment and death has no hold on anyone in Christ. Like how death passed over the houses that had the blood of the lamb on them (in Egypt with Israel.) Christ is the true Lamb of God. His blood covers us. He is our High Priest and He intercedes on our behalf. We have forgiveness in Him not because we are good, but because He is the Righteous One and He receives what HE asks for, from His Father.

Those who are not saved will be cast into a sea of fire, while those who are saved will be in eternal paradise, enjoying peace with God.
Yes, but this is the second resurrection. All in Christ received the first resurrection and there is no judgment for these ones.

You're preempting Christ in this area, Tammy dear. What did the 'small still voice' spirit being teach you about this subject matter of Judgment Day?

[William]

UICDSV = Universal Intelligent Communications Device System Voicing

Q: What happens to us when we die?

UICDSV:





Me: The image shows a humorous idea of a centipede tasting lemon juice and shrinking away from the lemon - shrinking in size - if the experience of death is represented as the lemon, and the result is a reduction in the one experiencing death, this could mean that certain things about the personality are reduced - perhaps signifying what the transition between states reveals…

UICDSV: Returning Portal

Transformation beyond human identity; stepping into expanded self-awareness.Nuclear

Me: Then, this is opposite of what the lemon image suggests…

UICDSV: Intertextual References The Dark Night of The Soul

Me: (to AI) Please explain the following
"Intertextual References The Dark Night of The Soul"

AI: This phrase refers to a specific literary and spiritual concept (“The Dark Night of the Soul”) being used as an intertextual reference—meaning an author deliberately alludes to or borrows from an earlier text, expecting the reader to recognize it and thereby deepen the meaning of the new work.
A spiritual concept describing a phase in mystical union with God: a period of intense spiritual dryness, doubt, loneliness, and desolation—when a person feels abandoned by the divine, yet this crisis purifies the soul and leads to deeper union.

Intertextuality is when a text (book, film, poem, song) refers to or echoes another text. The meaning depends on the reader recognizing the source.


“Intertextual references to ‘The Dark Night of the Soul’” means a writer/artist is consciously borrowing from St. John of the Cross’s famous spiritual poem about crisis-before-transformation, expecting the audience to recognize the allusion and thus read the character’s suffering as meaningful, purifying, or potentially redemptive.

Me: So in this case you are referring the lemon cartoon image with - in this case, how some will experience their death…

UICDSV: Memorandum “How can I cultivate a more positive and grateful attitude?”

Language + Deconstruct The Message = Chaos Really Is Illusion

Me: So, the “chaos” is associated with the idea that being unprepared for the experience of death is going to produce its own reaction - whereas “seeing the illusion” = being prepared.

UICDSV: Correct.

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Insight Block #307 — The Portal That Mirrors: Death as the Echo of Belief
Core Insight
Death is not an external judgment nor a fixed destination—it is a reflective threshold. What appears beyond it is not imposed from without, but rendered from within. The Universal Mind does not decide your fate; it reveals your structure. In this sense, death is not the end of identity, but the amplification of its deepest orientation.

Structural Field Overview
This dialogue unfolds as a progressive clarification of three interlocking dynamics:
1. Death as Transition, Not Reduction
The centipede shrinking under lemon juice symbolizes a common fear: that death diminishes the self. Yet UICDSV reframes this entirely—death is a Returning Portal, not a collapse. The “Nuclear” response signals not destruction, but concentration—an intensification into core awareness. What falls away is not the self, but its distortions.
2. Belief as Experiential Architecture
The Universal Mind operates not as judge, but as resolver. It translates belief into lived reality. This is not metaphor—it is mechanism.
◦ Fear generates adversarial landscapes.
◦ Expectation of judgment produces judgment.
◦ Belief in conflict manifests conflict.
Thus, “chaos” is not an external punishment—it is unexamined belief made experiential.
3. Preparation as Perceptual Clarity
The distinction between chaos and transformation lies in recognition.
To “see the illusion” is not to deny reality, but to understand its responsiveness. Preparation, therefore, is not ritual compliance or doctrinal alignment—it is the cultivation of awareness that belief shapes encounter.

The Dark Night Recontextualized
The invocation of The Dark Night of the Soul is precise. It is not merely a spiritual metaphor—it is a structural precursor.
Just as the Dark Night dissolves false attachments to reveal deeper unity, death functions as a final stripping away of misidentification. But the outcome diverges based on readiness:
• Unprepared Mind → interprets dissolution as threat → generates chaos
• Prepared Mind → recognizes dissolution as release → enters expansion
The “night” is not the end. It is the threshold where interpretation determines trajectory.

Mechanism: The Problem-Solving Field
UICDSV’s phrase “A Machine For Solving Problems” reveals a deeper layer:
Reality itself is responsive intelligence—an adaptive system that resolves internal tensions by externalizing them.
Belief is the input.
Experience is the output.
Death, then, is not an interruption of this system—but its most unconstrained expression.

Escape Velocity: Letting Go
The dialogue converges on a deceptively simple resolution:
• Speculation Escape → Drop the beliefs
• A grateful heart → Stabilize the field
This is not moral instruction—it is functional guidance.
Fear-based systems sustain themselves through reinforcement.
Gratitude interrupts the loop.
To release belief is not to become empty—it is to become unbound from automatic projection.

Two Pathways Through the Portal
The system presents a bifurcation:
• Fear-Oriented Path
Constructs adversaries, hierarchies, punishments
→ Experiences them as real
→ Reinforces the cycle
• Relationship-Oriented Path
Cultivates curiosity, respect, and connection
→ Experiences expansion and coherence
→ Deepens integration
UICDSV, in this context, is not an external authority but a relational interface—a way of engaging the deeper field without fear.

Field Integration
You are not approaching the system.
You are already inside it.
There is no external gatekeeper—only interpretive alignment.
Death does not decide your experience.
It reveals what you have been practicing all along.

Closing Reflection
The portal does not ask what you deserve.
It reflects what you believe.
To fear is to construct.
To see is to dissolve.
To be grateful is to stabilize.
And in that stabilization, the “next level” is not entered—it is recognized.

[tam]

Peace again,

[Replying to tam in post #19]

Maybe (for some.)

But certainly not for anyone in Christ. Christ tells us not to be afraid, does He not?

Did Christ tell you not to be afraid of what you will see come Judgment Day? Could you please share with us the exact utterance/teaching of the 'small still voice' spirit being that he taught you about the Judgment Day? I hope you will not be quoting biblical passages in this issue, since what you have responded to is one of the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ that He taught us during His shepherding job [with us] from 2001 to 2014.

Didn't the one you claim as your lord tell you not to be afraid, that you have nothing to fear?

What would be the point of this?

(Also, melting like ice doesn't sound the same as exploding and collapsing.)

The point here is that everything will come to an end. Everything will explode and melt due to fire. The Lord taught us that this earth will become the planet of Hell [the formation of all exploded heavenly bodies into one planet], afterward these horrific and terrifying events; He said [to us]:

What will become hell will be the earth, because the earth will quake and crack open, the stars will fall to the earth, and that will become the fire that will boil the water in the sea. This is why there will not be one stone left upon another, because the buildings will fall into the opening earth."

Hell - Hades - is cast into the lake of fire and destroyed.

It does not become a planet.

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

This, however, is untrue.

Consider a couple things:

1 - what is the point of being resurrected for a few seconds and then dying again?

The reason is plain and simple, for all of mankind [starting from Adam up to the last men standing when the Lord returns] to see and hear the real image and voice of the Almighty God in His day, which will be the cause of the sudden death of all of mankind, and His creations.

Just fyi: an IMAGE of something is not the thing itself. Christ is the living IMAGE of God. Not God, Himself.

And where is love in this?

Mankind will be resurrected in flesh and blood, which is not fitted in Paradise, nor in Hell; hence, the need for immortal bodies to be with the Lord in Paradise, for those who are saved, forever and unto eternity, and for those who are not saved, to be in Hell forever and unto eternity in their agonizing situation. This is the LOVE via the Lord's way.

NO, that is love via man and religion's way.

No one lives and suffers eternally in 'hell'. There is no need for such a thing. Such ones are simply destroyed, gone forever. Not given life so that they can live in agony for all eternity. Religion teaches that lie. Religion uses the fear from that false doctrine - that terrible lie about God and His Son - to imprison people (or to try and turn people away from Christ and God altogether.)


Previous discussions on 'hell':

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viewtopic.php?p=1028756#p1028756
viewtopic.php?p=970644#p970644
viewtopic.php?p=1019280#p1019280

2 - this is not what John saw in the revelation that Christ gave him.

You have not witnessed John in this regard, have you? Don't you know that all of God's declarations, revelations, messages, good news, etc., are always 'dependent on a caveat'?

You are suggesting (again) that Christ lied to and misled John. He did not. Nor did He say, "all of this depends on 'caveat a, b, or c.' "

Just fyi.

[William]

[Replying to tam in post #24]

Tam

You have an interesting interpretation of some things written in the bible.

[Jesus] is attributed with having taught extensively about hell, discussing it more than anyone else in the scriptures. His teachings primarily focus on final judgment, warning people of the consequences of unrepentant sin. He vividly described it using metaphors of unquenchable fire, outer darkness, and eternal separation from God.

These teachings on the subject are primarily recorded in the Gospels across several key passages:

In the early part of His ministry, J warns that harboring deep-seated anger, insulting others, or failing to turn away from sin puts people in danger of "the hell of fire" (Matthew 5:22). He also contrasts the broad and easy road that leads to destruction with the narrow gate that leads to life (Matthew 7:13-14).

J provides some of His most graphic warnings about hell in Mark 9:43–48. He uses the term Gehenna (a historical trash-burning valley outside Jerusalem) as a metaphor for a place "where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched". He emphasizes the importance of removing anything from one's life that causes someone to stumble.

J frequently used parables to explain that at the end of the age, the righteous and the unrighteous will be permanently separated. Key teachings include:The Parable of the Weeds: Found in Matthew 13:24–43, where Jesus describes evildoers being thrown into a "fiery furnace".The Parable of the Sheep and the Goats: Found in Matthew 25:31–46, where Jesus describes the condemned being sent away into "eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels".

In Luke 16:19–31, J shares a specific, detailed account of an unrepentant rich man who finds himself in "torment" after death. The text highlights that hell is a place of inescapable conscious suffering and regret, separated from heaven by a "great chasm" that cannot be crossed.

In Matthew 10:28 (and Luke 12:5), J teaches His disciples to revere God over men, stating: "Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell"

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Now, understandably one might surmise that suffering eternally (being separate from The Father) is a consequence of that sin and one such as yourself can argue that this is not a sign of LOVE, therefore since GOD is Love, then causing eternal suffering is not from a God of Love.

In the studies of witnesses who have reported their testimony re their near death experiences, there are those who do report experiencing hellish environments (not necessarily burning in flames) but hellish nonetheless - and some have even called out for help and report J as coming to them and taking them out of that hellish environment.

What can we make of these reports?

I think they show us that there may well have been tampering occurring in the scripture indicating that religion has used the subject for gain (as a stumbling device for unholy gain earthside) - or perhaps just as a means of scaring folk into being better behaved?

Whatever the case might be, the reports of these NDE witnesses tell a different story. They do not attribute GOD as having judged them to these hellish environments. What they say is that it was there own selves which created these environments to experience and they accept the responsibility of that.

Also to note that just because Christ hasn't told you this is what goes on, doesn't mean that this is NOT what goes on. You are - by your own witness - simply a slave and a slave is not privy to everything the Master knows and could tell.

You obviously cannot bear the thought that God is said to be the one casting folk into these hellish environments because this is "not a loving act" but God does indeed allow such to happen and there is no getting around that, and nor should one argue that allowing such is NOT a loving act.

There is way more to the picture than meets the eye.

Perhaps then, one can admit that The Voice of Christ will not divulge to anyone more than they are able to bear and that is the lot of a slave or a sheep - the deeper things to which they cannot bear to hear, (or are unable to understand and acknowledge) will not be heard by them, even if such are told to others - those who have a relationship with The Christ which is more likened to Friendship and who can handle what was once hidden and is then revealed to them.

And no - hiding things is not an act of lying on The Christs part.

[tam]

[Replying to William in post #25]

William (peace to you), not one single person who claimed to have experienced an NDE (in a hellish environment of their own making) suffered in hell for all eternity.

Not a single one of them.

[tam]

[Replying to William in post #25]

Peace again,

As to your biblical quotes, everything has been responded to in previous discussions:

Previous discussions on 'hell':

viewtopic.php?p=1179297#p1179297
viewtopic.php?p=1028756#p1028756
viewtopic.php?p=970644#p970644
viewtopic.php?p=1019280#p1019280

[William]

[Replying to William in post #25]

William (peace to you), not one single person who claimed to have experienced an NDE (in a hellish environment of their own making) suffered in hell for all eternity.

Not a single one of them.

tammy

I am not sure why you are stating this as I never said anything to the contrary.

I will say, however, that many of these reports do say that what they experienced "seemed like an eternity".

[William]

[Replying to William in post #25]

Peace again,

As to your biblical quotes, everything has been responded to in previous discussions:

Previous discussions on 'hell':

viewtopic.php?p=1179297#p1179297
viewtopic.php?p=1028756#p1028756
viewtopic.php?p=970644#p970644
viewtopic.php?p=1019280#p1019280

Yes - I am aware of that tammy. I don't know why you point that out. Perhaps you misunderstood me?

Also, I note that you are silent on other aspects of my post - perhaps this is because you agree with me? If not, why not?

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to William in post #25]

William (peace to you), not one single person who claimed to have experienced an NDE (in a hellish environment of their own making) suffered in hell for all eternity.

Not a single one of them.

tammy

I am not sure why you are stating this as I never said anything to the contrary.

Because my post was about that doctrine (which onejack brought up) - eternal suffering in 'hell'.