Some Christians claim that pigs are not forbidden in Christianity, and they deduce this with flimsy evidence
It’s not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth.”
((Matthew 15:11 ►)
In fact, this saying has nothing to do with banning pigs or not, but rather as part of a response to the Jews when they reproached the disciples of Jesus for not washing their hands before eating. On the contrary, the intention of the Lord Christ with his words is to show that moral impurity is far more dangerous than physical impurity.
” Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.” “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”
Matthew 15:11-20
1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places.
It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine,
and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah.”
[Al-Qur’an 5:3]
The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why
pork is forbidden.
2. Pork prohibited in the Bible
The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible
prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus
“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth
not the cud; he is unclean to you”.
“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch,
they are unclean to you.” [Leviticus 11:7-8]
Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy
“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
it is unclean unto you
The laws of God are one from Adam to Muhammad, peace be upon them
the worship of the One God (the Father) and not of a human being or an idol or anything you can imagine
and Prohibition of fornication, alcohol and pork
Dr Zakir Naik proved that having Pork is prohibited haraam in Islam as well as in Christianity
لماذا ناقض بولس التلاميذ في قوانين الطعام والشريعة؟
Correcting misconceptions
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Re: Correcting misconceptions
Post #2allaah
Christians of the 600’s (at the time of Muhammad’s life) in Arabia called “the God” as Allah. To my knowledge, Christians in Arabic countries continue to call the God as Allah.
However, the qualifications of the God of Islam and Christianity differ. Islam utterly rejects the doctrine of trinity. Thus, Allah is more or less equal to the God the Father. Jesus is seen as one of the most holy prophets, but a human being nonetheless.
the fundamental concept of the oneness of God in Islam and Christianity is different. From the biblical perspective we know that all the other prophets taught about the oneness of God, not a triune entity. So from this perspective it would be easy to say that the God concept is the same as Muslims. From a Muslim perspective we consider the God that Jesus prayed to, to be the actual true God and so Muslims will syau yes we believe in the same God as the Christians, but it is limited to the absolute oneness of God (trinitarian beliefs negate that concept)
For Muslims, they have the doctrine of the Tawhid, which means that God our Lord your Lord is one, emphasis in surat al-ikhlas:
For Christians, the God is a triun God, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. Three persons share the same essence (divinity) Which the Islamic doctrine disagree with, for Muslims, Jesus is just a messenger and The Holy Spirit is the archangel Gabriel, which means that Islam do not accept the doctrine Of The Trinity
From an Islamic perception, which accept only strict monotheism, the Trinity is polytheistic concept i.e associating partners with God.
In addition, Allah is both to be loved and feared at the same time in Islam. He is so unknowable, so above the human understanding that He instills a feeling of awe that inherently includes trembling.
Furthermore, the Christian conception of the God is more personal. The Islamic God is much less personal. Although the Quran talks about Allah speaking, seeing, hearing etc., it emphasizes that this needs to be understood in the proper context. Islamic God, being outside of our space-time, is essentially incomprehensible and unknowable save what has been revealed.
Apart from these differences, they are almost identical. Again, Christians of the Middle East have called the God as Allah, and have been continuing to do so implies that they refer to the same God. The differences only arise from the differences in respective religions.
Another thing to note is that you may see the Christian response to this vary based on where you live. In America, there is a constant push by evangelical groups to paint Islam in as bad of a light as possible.
”, and suggest that because we use an Arabic Name for God, we don’t worship God. The terrible logic of this is that Arab Christians called God using the Name “Allah” as well. And that’s because it’s the Arabic Name for God. So these evangelicals basically denounce their own Arab brothers and sisters in faith when they make such claims. It’s totally illogical, but they’ve brainwashed plenty of Christians in the process, sadly.
Jesus Christ will be questioned by the God almighty whether Jesus claims divinity or not. Jesus Christ is alive physically and his life extended for only he proves that he never claim divinity.
There is not a single unambiguous or unequivocal verse in the verse that Jesus claims divinity.
Jesus Christ is one of the human prophets like Adam, Abraham, Moses etc. Eating, sleeping, drinking, peeing, frightening,wondering, beginning, physical activities are not the qualification of God.
Christ said
3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
John 17:3
Christ also did not claim divinity and restricted divinity to God (the Father) alone
He did not say that he is a god or that the Holy Spirit is a god
On the Day of Resurrection, Christ will expel Christians who are considered God or equal to God
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matthew 7:22-23
Islam is the final message to humanity
It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah, from the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), that he said: “By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, no one of this nation, Jew or Christian, hears of me then dies without having believed in that with which I was sent, but he will be one of the people of the Fire.” Narrated by Muslim (240).
This hadith is a well-known and authentic narration found in Sahih Muslim (Hadith 240).
Here is a brief explanation of its context and significance in Islamic theology:
Universality of the Message: The hadith emphasizes that the message of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is addressed to all of humanity after his advent, including the earlier "People of the Scripture" (Jews and Christians).
The Requirement of Faith: The central message is that if the message of Islam reaches a person in a clear and correct manner, and then that person deliberately rejects it and dies in that state, they will not attain salvation in the hereafter.
Clarity (Al-Hujjah): Islamic scholars explain that this applies to those for whom the truth has been made clearly evident. If a person has never heard of Islam, or has only heard a distorted version, different rules apply according to the Quran.
The hadith is used to emphasize the importance of faith (iman) in Muhammad (pbuh) as the final messenger to attain salvation according to Islamic teachings.
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Christians of the 600’s (at the time of Muhammad’s life) in Arabia called “the God” as Allah. To my knowledge, Christians in Arabic countries continue to call the God as Allah.
However, the qualifications of the God of Islam and Christianity differ. Islam utterly rejects the doctrine of trinity. Thus, Allah is more or less equal to the God the Father. Jesus is seen as one of the most holy prophets, but a human being nonetheless.
the fundamental concept of the oneness of God in Islam and Christianity is different. From the biblical perspective we know that all the other prophets taught about the oneness of God, not a triune entity. So from this perspective it would be easy to say that the God concept is the same as Muslims. From a Muslim perspective we consider the God that Jesus prayed to, to be the actual true God and so Muslims will syau yes we believe in the same God as the Christians, but it is limited to the absolute oneness of God (trinitarian beliefs negate that concept)
For Muslims, they have the doctrine of the Tawhid, which means that God our Lord your Lord is one, emphasis in surat al-ikhlas:
For Christians, the God is a triun God, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. Three persons share the same essence (divinity) Which the Islamic doctrine disagree with, for Muslims, Jesus is just a messenger and The Holy Spirit is the archangel Gabriel, which means that Islam do not accept the doctrine Of The Trinity
From an Islamic perception, which accept only strict monotheism, the Trinity is polytheistic concept i.e associating partners with God.
In addition, Allah is both to be loved and feared at the same time in Islam. He is so unknowable, so above the human understanding that He instills a feeling of awe that inherently includes trembling.
Furthermore, the Christian conception of the God is more personal. The Islamic God is much less personal. Although the Quran talks about Allah speaking, seeing, hearing etc., it emphasizes that this needs to be understood in the proper context. Islamic God, being outside of our space-time, is essentially incomprehensible and unknowable save what has been revealed.
Apart from these differences, they are almost identical. Again, Christians of the Middle East have called the God as Allah, and have been continuing to do so implies that they refer to the same God. The differences only arise from the differences in respective religions.
Another thing to note is that you may see the Christian response to this vary based on where you live. In America, there is a constant push by evangelical groups to paint Islam in as bad of a light as possible.
”, and suggest that because we use an Arabic Name for God, we don’t worship God. The terrible logic of this is that Arab Christians called God using the Name “Allah” as well. And that’s because it’s the Arabic Name for God. So these evangelicals basically denounce their own Arab brothers and sisters in faith when they make such claims. It’s totally illogical, but they’ve brainwashed plenty of Christians in the process, sadly.
Jesus Christ will be questioned by the God almighty whether Jesus claims divinity or not. Jesus Christ is alive physically and his life extended for only he proves that he never claim divinity.
There is not a single unambiguous or unequivocal verse in the verse that Jesus claims divinity.
Jesus Christ is one of the human prophets like Adam, Abraham, Moses etc. Eating, sleeping, drinking, peeing, frightening,wondering, beginning, physical activities are not the qualification of God.
Christ said
3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
John 17:3
Christ also did not claim divinity and restricted divinity to God (the Father) alone
He did not say that he is a god or that the Holy Spirit is a god
On the Day of Resurrection, Christ will expel Christians who are considered God or equal to God
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matthew 7:22-23
Islam is the final message to humanity
It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah, from the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), that he said: “By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, no one of this nation, Jew or Christian, hears of me then dies without having believed in that with which I was sent, but he will be one of the people of the Fire.” Narrated by Muslim (240).
This hadith is a well-known and authentic narration found in Sahih Muslim (Hadith 240).
Here is a brief explanation of its context and significance in Islamic theology:
Universality of the Message: The hadith emphasizes that the message of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is addressed to all of humanity after his advent, including the earlier "People of the Scripture" (Jews and Christians).
The Requirement of Faith: The central message is that if the message of Islam reaches a person in a clear and correct manner, and then that person deliberately rejects it and dies in that state, they will not attain salvation in the hereafter.
Clarity (Al-Hujjah): Islamic scholars explain that this applies to those for whom the truth has been made clearly evident. If a person has never heard of Islam, or has only heard a distorted version, different rules apply according to the Quran.
The hadith is used to emphasize the importance of faith (iman) in Muhammad (pbuh) as the final messenger to attain salvation according to Islamic teachings.
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Re: Correcting misconceptions
Post #3Abraham, Moses, Jesus , Mohmmed all had visions from God and set new laws, and they were called prophets as they did prophets
(do not eat pork, only eat kosher food, circumcision,
.worshiping God the father etc.) would be called a prophet.
Paul was a false prophet (wolf). He would disguise himself as an apostle (sheep’s clothing) otherwise everyone instantly would have realised he was one of the false prophets to come that Jesus spoke about.
Surely a man who has a vision from someone he considers is God: set news laws, i.e. to stop worshiping God the father, but now includes the worship of Jesus and abolish the previous laws.
He is considered a false prophet
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” Matthew 7:15 KJV
“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” Matthew 24:24 KJV
Paul never knew Jesus.
Paul decides to abolish the law, the law of what’s forbidden to us and doing works, good deeds e.g:
"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."
Jesus never said he was going to die for our sins. Something as major as that would surely have been mentioned at least once in the four gospels by Jesus.
Paul here abolishes the law because he says “Jesus died for our sins”.
“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.” John 17:4 KJV
Jesus is speaking to God here and clearly mentions that his teachings, the miracles he performed (by the finger of God) is complete, that all his work is now done. The work God gave Jesus to do is done. Jesus could have said “I have finished all things except dying on the cross for everyone’s sins”, but he didn’t.
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(do not eat pork, only eat kosher food, circumcision,
.worshiping God the father etc.) would be called a prophet.
Paul was a false prophet (wolf). He would disguise himself as an apostle (sheep’s clothing) otherwise everyone instantly would have realised he was one of the false prophets to come that Jesus spoke about.
Surely a man who has a vision from someone he considers is God: set news laws, i.e. to stop worshiping God the father, but now includes the worship of Jesus and abolish the previous laws.
He is considered a false prophet
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” Matthew 7:15 KJV
“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” Matthew 24:24 KJV
Paul never knew Jesus.
Paul decides to abolish the law, the law of what’s forbidden to us and doing works, good deeds e.g:
"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."
Jesus never said he was going to die for our sins. Something as major as that would surely have been mentioned at least once in the four gospels by Jesus.
Paul here abolishes the law because he says “Jesus died for our sins”.
“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.” John 17:4 KJV
Jesus is speaking to God here and clearly mentions that his teachings, the miracles he performed (by the finger of God) is complete, that all his work is now done. The work God gave Jesus to do is done. Jesus could have said “I have finished all things except dying on the cross for everyone’s sins”, but he didn’t.
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Re: Correcting misconceptions
Post #4All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.
1. John chapter 14 verse 16:“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever.”
2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:“But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, whichproceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”
3.Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7: “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you”.
“Ahmed” or “Muhammad” meaning “the one who praises” or “the praised one” is almost the translation of theGreek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word ‘Comforter’ is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even theGreek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realisethat the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that theHoly Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me”.The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
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Is the prophecy of Isaiah 42 about the Prophet Muhammad? Hamza's dialogue with Joseph the Jew
1. John chapter 14 verse 16:“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever.”
2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:“But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, whichproceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”
3.Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7: “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you”.
“Ahmed” or “Muhammad” meaning “the one who praises” or “the praised one” is almost the translation of theGreek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word ‘Comforter’ is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even theGreek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realisethat the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that theHoly Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me”.The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
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Is the prophecy of Isaiah 42 about the Prophet Muhammad? Hamza's dialogue with Joseph the Jew
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Re: Correcting misconceptions
Post #5This is even more nonsensical than the rest of the screed. Where are you getting this stuff?somo wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2026 5:24 am“Ahmed” or “Muhammad” meaning “the one who praises” or “the praised one” is almost the translation of theGreek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word ‘Comforter’ is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even theGreek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
Let's assume for a moment that you're right about the paracletos/periclytos thing. Periclytos (περικλυτός) doesn't mean "praised" or any such thing. It means "glorious" or "splendid." If you're going to play etymological games, the word literally means "famous" (klytos, κλυτός), in the sense of "known" (klyo, κλύω), "all around" (peri-, περι-).
Other than a strained attempt to tie the word to Muhammad (pbuh), however, there's no basis for claiming that parakletos (παράκλητος) is a corruption of periclytos (περικλυτός). No known manuscripts read περικλυτός and the words neither look nor sound similar enough in Greek to cause a likely mistake. The best you can do is assert that the "advocate" spoken of by the author of John meant Muhammad, but one might just as well assert that any other metaphorical or unnamed character in the New Testament refers to Muhammad.
My pronouns are he, him, and his.
