Creation ex nihilo - True, False or Unknowable?

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Creation ex nihilo - True, False or Unknowable?

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The doctrine of creatio ex nihilo is widely assumed in classical theism. But:

Scripture never states it clearly (2 Maccabees 7:28 is a mother's assertion under torture, not a revelation).

It violates ex nihilo nihil fit - yet the same critics who reject "round squares" as logically absurd often accept ex nihilo without a principled distinction.

Resurrection hope does not logically require it.

So: True, False, or Unknowable - and why?
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William wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2026 6:09 pm ...
It violates ex nihilo nihil fit - ...
In Biblical point of view it is not "nothing comes from nothing". God created all things, so all things came from God.
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1213 wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2026 12:44 am
William wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2026 6:09 pm ...
It violates ex nihilo nihil fit - ...
In Biblical point of view it is not "nothing comes from nothing". God created all things, so all things came from God.
Thank you, 1232. Just to be sure I understand you — are you offering this as an objection to my original post, or as a clarification or supplement to it?
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William wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2026 3:02 am
1213 wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2026 12:44 am
William wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2026 6:09 pm ...
It violates ex nihilo nihil fit - ...
In Biblical point of view it is not "nothing comes from nothing". God created all things, so all things came from God.
Thank you, 1232. Just to be sure I understand you — are you offering this as an objection to my original post, or as a clarification or supplement to it?
You asked "Creation ex nihilo - True, False or Unknowable?" And my answer was to that. In Biblical point of view things came from God, not from nothing.
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1213 wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2026 2:02 am
William wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2026 3:02 am
1213 wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2026 12:44 am
William wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2026 6:09 pm ...
It violates ex nihilo nihil fit - ...
In Biblical point of view it is not "nothing comes from nothing". God created all things, so all things came from God.
Thank you, 1232. Just to be sure I understand you — are you offering this as an objection to my original post, or as a clarification or supplement to it?
You asked "Creation ex nihilo - True, False or Unknowable?" And my answer was to that. In Biblical point of view things came from God, not from nothing.
Ah I see - you are saying ex nihilo is false.

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