THIS IS YOUR PROOF? Haaaaa

[Avoice]

This proves Jesus is the Messiah, huh?

He turned water into wine
Walked on water
Blah-blah-blah

WHY are Christians so impressed with those things?

Did you notice that all the things that Jesus was said to have done cant be proven.
Walked on water? Says who? Wheres thevell evidence? And even f you had evidence it doesnt matter. It means nothing. It is not foretold that the messiah will walk on water.
Hey,...Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. Pretty cool. But thats not what we look for. Walking on the moon or the water means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!

Nobody dared to claim he brought peace. Because wed know it.
If he built the 3rd temple we'd know it

Jesus has done nothing the messiah is to do. And all the things that 'wow' Christians arent the things that we are told the messiah will do.

Christians: Why are you so wowed over things that dont matter?

[Avoice]

[Replying to 1213 in post #11]

You dont want Jesus dead?

Maybe you dont. You must not be a Christian. Christians need Jesus dead. So they think.

[1213]

You dont want Jesus dead?

Why would I want Jesus dead?

[Capbook]

Ezekial 28 is about the King of Tyre.
Period

I asked where it says Satan sinned and you quote passages about the king of tyre and say it points to Satan. Says who? Maybe its pointing to Buddha? No? Why not?

There are no passages. You are grasping at straws.

Is the King of Tyre an anointed cherub?

Eze 28:14  "You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire. 

[Avoice]

I asked about Satan. Not the king of tyre or cherub

[Capbook]

I asked about Satan. Not the king of tyre or cherub

Again, through context how do you interpret who is the "anointed cherub" symbolizes to?

Ezek 28:12-19 – While initially addressing the King of Tyre, is interpreted as symbolic account of Satan’s fall, referencing his previous state as a blameless, anointed cherub was in Eden, the garden of God.
Ezek 28:13 – The phrase “in Eden” the garden of God, is a key indicator that the passage is not simply about a human ruler.
Ezek 28:14 – And the description of the subject as an “anointed cherub” further points to a heavenly being, not a king. As fallen angels has the power to transform themselves to what they are not, this point to Satan the old serpent as mentioned in Revelation.

Ezek 28:16  “By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, you covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire. 

[Avoice]

[Replying to tam in post #10]
So jesus was never a sacrifice. Sounds like an indian giver. He just pretended to be a sacrifice but had no intention of dying

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Capbook in post #33]

Is the King of Tyre an anointed cherub?

Did Satan start out on the earth.....

"For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven.....

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds...."
(Isaiah 14:13-14)

.....as a human being?

"They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms.....
(v. 16)

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #10]
So jesus was never a sacrifice. Sounds like an indian giver. He just pretended to be a sacrifice but had no intention of dying

Sorry, Avoice, but I'm not sure what this comment has to do with anything I wrote in post 10. Could you clarify?

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #33]

Is the King of Tyre an anointed cherub?

Did Satan start out on the earth.....

"For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven.....

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds...."
(Isaiah 14:13-14)

.....as a human being?

"They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms.....
(v. 16)

He was yet Lucifer, but when pride was found in his heart, as he said "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God," he fell/thrown down from heaven, and was called the devil and Satan, the serpent of old that tempted Eve at Eden.

Isa 14:12  How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 
Isa 14:13  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 

Luk 10:18  And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. 

Rev 12:9  And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Capbook in post #39]

He was yet Lucifer, but when pride was found in his heart, as he said "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God," he fell/thrown down from heaven, and was called the devil and Satan, the serpent of old that tempted Eve at Eden.

Pride doesn't explain it. Pride can lead one to assume being the most beautiful, the most popular, the most intelligent etc. For a created being to be convinced that he could outmatch his own omnipotent creator and rule in that omnipotent creator's place would be delusional. One who is delusional is not in his right mind, and one who's not in his right mind cannot rightly be held responsible for his actions. Any competent court would find such a being not guilty by reason of insanity.

Isaiah 14:12-13 is written in poetic language.