Did he or didn't he?

[Athetotheist]

And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her.
(1 Samuel 28:6-7)

So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; and enquired not of the Lord
(1Chronicles 10:13-14)

How exactly are these to be reconciled?

[JehovahsWitness]

Jesus said,

“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.”

When /where did he say that?

The Lord said that to us inside our car while we’re cruising the famous boulevard in the city of Temakatz, in 2001.

1. How do you know it was Almighty God ?
2. How can you be sure you heard him right ? (there must have been a lot of noise on the Boulevard)

[OneJack]

ISAIAH 42:8

Ako si Jehova. Iyan ang pangalan ko;
Hindi ko ibibigay* kahit kanino ang kaluwalhatian ko,
At hindi ko ibibigay sa mga inukit na imahen ang papuri para sa akin.r

Legacy Standard Bible
I am Yahweh, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I am Yahweh, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another or My praise to idols.

American Standard Version
I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise unto graven images.

In this specific verse of the Bible, I can say with certainty, and in response to your query, that the Bible absolutely doesn’t correctly identify the name of the one true God. ...

Based on what (for what reason) do you conclude ISAIAH 42:8 doesn’t correctly identify the name of the one true God?

I told u already, the Lord Jesus does not acknowledge the name Jehovah as His name.

[OneJack]

Jesus said,

“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.”

When /where did he say that?

The Lord said that to us inside our car while we’re cruising the famous boulevard in the city of Temakatz, in 2001.

1. How do you know it was Almighty God ?

He proved to us that He is the Almighty God by doing one thing that no one, but God alone, can do with 100 % precision and accuracy.

2. How can you be sure you heard him right ? (there must have been a lot of noise on the Boulevard)

I’ve shared the output and no one wants to refute them. You should have seen how ‘nothing is impossible with God’ in His every work.

[JehovahsWitness]

I’ve shared the output and no one wants to refute them.

God is perfect but your ears are not: I am questioning the words you posted, words are not Almighty God , don't over magify words.

No-one can be sure the message you wrote is 100% accurate . The Boulevard must have been very noisy, what if he didn't say "draw close me" but draw close to MIA" as in Mia Alvar the famous Filipino–American writer!

Jesus said,

“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.”

The Lord said that to us inside our car while we’re cruising the famous boulevard in the city of Temakatz, in 2001.

You seem to be quoting words as if they are God Almighty , are you not in danger of elevaing words above Jesus Himself?

[OneJack]

I’ve shared the output and no one wants to refute them.

God is perfect but your ears are not: I am questioning the words you posted, words are not Almighty God , don't over magify words.

What are your questions here?

Sabi ng Panginoong Dios na si Jesucristo:

Kayong lahat nang magsisipakinig ay makinig kayo, Ako ang inyong Panginoong Diyos, kanino kayo matatakot? Ako na Makapangyarihan sa lahat, kanino kayo masisindak? Tandaan ninyo na pag Ako ang nasa tabi ninyo ay wala kayong dapat katakutan, wala kayong dapat ipangamba sapagka't Ako ang magliligtas sa inyo sa anumang kapahamakan kung kayo'y magtitiwala sa Akin at Ako'y ituturing n’yo bilang inyong kaligtasan at buhay na walang hanggan. Bilang inyong Panginoon na inyo lamang sasambahin at wala ng iba, ang nag-iisang Diyos na umiiral sa sangkalangitan, sangkalupaan o sansinukob man. Ako na lumikha ng lahat ng bagay, Ako na nagbigay buhay sa inyo, kanino kayo pupunta? Kung hindi man sa Akin ay wala na kayong ibang pupuntahan."

No-one can be sure the message you wrote is 100% accurate . The Boulevard must have been very noisy, what if he didn't say "draw close me" but draw close to MIA" as in Mia Alvar the famous Filipino–American writer!

Jesus said,

“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.”

The Lord said that to us inside our car while we’re cruising the famous boulevard in the city of Temakatz, in 2001.

You seem to be quoting words as if they are God Almighty , are you not in danger of elevaing words above Jesus Himself?

Indeed, Jesus is the Almighty God, not Jehovah, which the Lord said, ‘Jehovah ay hindi ko pangalan.’ How could I be in danger of elevating those words over and above Jesus when, straightforwardly, I tell you that you do not need them? We only need Jesus for our salvation.

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #52]

Therefore, if anyone did bring up Samuel's ghost, then it would have been the LORD. And the message was for Saul, and false mediums are in the habit of telling people what they want to hear, not the only thing they don't want to here.

Then Samuel telling Saul what he doesn't want to hear suggests at least as strongly that the Wise Woman is a true medium.

Sure. Why not? God uses lying spirits, donkeys, roosters to get his message to the unbelieving and rebellious.

God wouldn't have the death penalty against witches, if there was no witchcraft. Satan is the god of this world, with his own spiritual powers of darkness. And God uses him to deceive the disobedient, and to try the obedient.

If Saul had believed Samuel's message, then maybe he would have repented of fighting the Philistines to the death? God's merciful warnings even to the wicked, is because He loves all men, especially those that were about to die for a lost cause.

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #53]

Asking for dreams, seeking by urim, asking for prophets.....and making a burnt offering, and Saul still gets no answer.

Now you got it. The price to pay for rebellion beyond repentance.

Pro 1:24
Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer;.....

I guess your metaphysical infinity has no rules for speaking with cosmic voice to metaphysical ears? Or, does it at all?

Does biblical text have no rules against accusing someone of not inquiring [Chronicles] after establishing that he did inquire [1 Samuel]?

The Bible has no rule of Scripture interpreting Scripture. The Bible does have rule against accusing Scripture, by establishing one's own interpretation of Scripture:

2Pe 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

In any case, does your metaphysical reality speak to spirit or man? Or, is it all just whatever metaphysical reality someone wants to imagination? Is imagined metaphysical reality, the voice of metaphysical reality? I'll be that metaphysical reality doesn't deign to judge any man's deeds, but to that reality all things are metaphysically same forever, right?

Anyone can can do metaphysics if they want to. Just keep it away from solid ground and present living, and all things are as metaphysically real as any imagination wants them to be. It's the great thing about disconnect: If you can imagine and believe it, then it must be real...

[RBD]

[Replying to OneJack in post #55]

You asked how the ghost could be Samuel. I provided textual evidence that the ghost was supposed to be Samuel.

This looks to me now as if you were begging the bible to be the Almighty God, don’t you? The Almighty God alone can truly identify ghosts of any kind, not anyone and anything else.

You seem oddly dismissive of the Bible----

"I will worship toward Thy holy temple, and praise Thy name for Thy lovingkindness and for Thy truth, for Thou hast magnified Thy word above all Thy name.
(Psalms 138:2)

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
(2 Timothy 316)

Are those just texts you dismiss?

If I get your point right, all Scripture inspired by God, doesn't mean that all Scripture confirms everything written about, is true. Accurately recording a lie and false event, doesn't make the lie and the event true.

However, in the case of Samuel's spirit, it is a true event of a witch being used to send a last prophecy from God to a king, that had refused any longer to personally receive God's words from God Himself.

[RBD]

[Replying to OneJack in post #57]

Does biblical text have no rules against accusing someone of not inquiring [Chronicles] after establishing that he did inquire [1 Samuel]?

The rule comes only from God if we want the truth, and that’s ALWAYS!

If nothing comes from the Bible, what's the point of having it?

If someone thinks they are new personal revelators of the Bible God, whose revelations are not subject to the written words of the Bible, then at least in this case, you are showing more honor to the Bible, than some brand new personal revelator.

Rev 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

[RBD]

You seem oddly dismissive of the Bible----

Except for the direct utterances of God and Jesus.

All the words of Scripture are the direct utterances of God and Jesus, given to His prophets and apostles to write.

While the Spirit by Jesus Christ can certainly speak with His faithful disciples, and even things not to be written down from above. There are no direct utterances from God nor Jesus Christ, that contradict His own written words of Scripture.

Dan 10:21
But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth:

If anything is not noted in the Scriptures, then it's not noted by God and Jesus Christ.